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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4712 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 9 of 12 17 November 2013 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | ||
Materials to learn Haags don't exist, or if they do, they're thin on the ground (and you would know about it here because I live close to the Hague). And as far as dialects go, that one has better mutual intelligibility with standard Dutch than, say, Limburgs does. The best thing to do is just to have materials for standard Dutch, the Hague is a melting pot and not everyone on the street there speaks Haags (but when they do, it's hilarious). Haags is a dialect that is intelligible if you speak standard Dutch (just remember that all instances of g/ch are pronounced uvularly, at the back of your throat, and that vowels change somewhat - but vowels always change in Dutch dialects). The dialect situation in the Netherlands is a gigantic mess, and only in the last 30-40 years has it evened out somewhat. The old generations of people (say over 60) will still speak Dutch in their home dialect unless they were professors or something. They may find it tough to speak standard Dutch, although for outsiders they'll water down the dialect somewhat. In the area of 20-50 the differences can be marked and depend on the speaker, but usually here the dialect and the language exist side by side. My family all speak dialect but they can produce a good watered-down version intelligible to anyone - it's just that the accent can be traced to their locale of origin (within 5-10 km if you listen closely). Younger generations have accents but speak less dialectically. If you are in Belgium, only category 1 and 2 apply. And Belgian Dutch has a standard accent. Which is cute. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4052 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 10 of 12 17 November 2013 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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emk, once again thank you for your very valuable advices! I have to re-design my language
learning plans :) Regarding to language linking, I have to say that English (L2) is linked to Italian (my L1), while I'm linking Dutch and Icelandic to English and about French, that was linked to Italian, I'm relinking it to English. As results, it happens sometimes that I start speaking in English when I'm supposed to speak in Italian and sometimes some Dutch or French word are pronounced when I'm supposed to speak in English, but not when I'm supposed to speak in Italian. I think that for multiple language learners that is a massive experience, can become a problem in a certain time? One Romenian guy that works with me speaks every day in 4 different languages and he's supposed to learn other two and told me that sometimes he doesn't even realize in which language is talking and starts speaking with the wrong language several times. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4712 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 11 of 12 17 November 2013 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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As someone who has had to switch during 5-6 languages in one evening, I can tell you
that it's no picnic, but perfectly doable - and the trick is to cut off the linking process in your head. Once I get to a certain level where I can produce phrases automatically in my brain I stop translating/overthinking and then the switching takes one or two minutes, but I can keep it going - although sometimes due to focus issues this can lead to a few unnecessary mistakes (but that's nothing I'd worry about). I've even done this experiment as an i Talki Marathon. Those issues sort themselves out once you get good at a few of them. I think the trick really is to take them one by one, or at least two by two with one focused sharply, because I study multilingually too but I always have one language that dominates my focus over other ones. Once you get good at one of them it will become easier to switch. I have found that Russian-Romanian switching did not work over the summer, but it's better now (still not easy, and the switch from Russian to Romanian is harder than vice versa.) Edited by tarvos on 17 November 2013 at 12:57pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4052 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 12 of 12 19 November 2013 at 12:18am | IP Logged | ||
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Hi @tarvos, thank you very much for your answers! Very interesting the parts of dialects,
I didn't think that the situation was so messed up! Also for what concern language switching! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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