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| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4388 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes  Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 1 of 8 30 December 2013 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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What is the degree of mutaul intellegibility of these 2 languages ,I am particularly interested in the point of
view of a dutch naitive speaker and the one of a dutch learner who has achieved a B2/C1 ? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 2 of 8 30 December 2013 at 2:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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As a native speaker, I do not have problems reading Afrikaans. Afrikaans often uses
words that are archaic in Dutch. I understand like 80-90% to the point where if an Afrikaans speaker is slowed down a tidbit, you could interview them on the radio. (There is a famous video where Charlize Theron speaks Afrikaans and a Flemish interviewer Dutch). They were the same up until the early 20th century, when Afrikaans got a new orthography and grammar (before that it was written like Dutch because it was considered a Dutch dialect). The mutual intelligibility of Dutch and Afrikaans is the same as with other dialects of Dutch, particularly those not too far removed from the original. Given that it is a dialect speaker of course. Young people from the provinces have an accent but don't speak dialect usually. Edited by tarvos on 30 December 2013 at 2:05pm 8 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4388 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 3 of 8 30 December 2013 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | ||
I thought the degree of mutual intellegibility was higher than that . Probably it could be a bit like Italian and spanish , maybe a bit more . The fact is that mutaul intellegibility depends a lot on the situation and how the speaker speaks , at least so it seems to me . 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 4 of 8 30 December 2013 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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It's more than Italian and Spanish, wayyyyy more.
Dutch dialects are sometimes different languages, almost. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Vos Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5566 days ago 766 posts - 1020 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Dutch, Polish | Message 5 of 8 08 January 2014 at 12:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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Agreed. Although I'm only somewhere around the B1 level in Dutch, I occasionally write to an Africaans friend in
Dutch and she in Africaans, and we understand each other fine. Just had to get used to a few lexical items non existent in Dutch but very common in Afrikaans due to coming from surrounding African or colony languages, such as baie, 'very', which apparently comes from Malay. This below wiki page seems to give quite a good overview. Comparison of Afrikaans and Dutch 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4290 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 6 of 8 09 January 2014 at 2:09am | IP Logged | ||
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I watch cricket, and South Africa play and broadcast cricket in Afrikaans and English--
Afrikaans uses some words that I cannot pick up with modern Dutch, or it uses some archaic words, like "wees" instead of "zijn" in some places. Hearing it is slightly easier than reading it, because of the spelling. Also the conjugations and personal pronouns I am not accustomed to them well, especially "ons is" which in standard Dutch is not used, and as a non-native speaker is rather new. Edited by 1e4e6 on 09 January 2014 at 2:10am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 7 of 8 09 January 2014 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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Wees and ons is would be very well known to any Dutch speaker who is a bit acquainted
with dialect, it's used plenty around the country, you'd just never write it. There's even the famous saying "ons kent ons" which means "everybody knows everybody in this town". By the way, wees is also used in the participle form of Dutch, so any Dutch speaker could tell you what it meant. In fact, I wrote some Afrikaans this morning (check out my log for details) and I have no problems in written communication whether I write in Dutch or modify my Dutch to Afrikaans. It's intelligible to the Afrikaans speaker, and she speaks Afrikaans back. No problems whatsoever in writing. In speech, I might have to focus a bit more. You will adapt - some Belgian and Dutch companies outsource to South Africa because of the mutual intelligibility. It was not until 1925 I believe that Afrikaans was recognised as a language and not a dialect. 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| FadedStardust Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5607 days ago 19 posts - 30 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin Studies: German, Dutch | Message 8 of 8 11 January 2014 at 10:24am | IP Logged | ||
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Wees isn't used in Dutch? Tell that to my Oma who when I was a child and said there was a monster under my bed
replied: "Wees niet bang, meisje. Er zijn geen echte monsters." So yeah, even when it's used where a Dutch person would use zijn, wees shouldn't be anybody's road block... I did have to look up baie when I first heard it as well. I just did a Google translation lookup so didn't know it came from Malay; it's kinda cool to figure that out. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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