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JonJonsson
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 Message 9 of 21
22 January 2014 at 12:58pm | IP Logged 
chokofingrz wrote:
Great! I was playing on the European Language
european-language-map">Map trying to find a universal word, and the Icelandic word
for "idiot" was "hálfviti" (like half-wit I guess). So, is that a common word in
Icelandic or is there are more usual expression? :)


Hálfviti is a very common word. Fáviti ("few-wit") is common as well. Idiot (or
"idjót") is rarely used but would be understood

Stolan wrote:
How easy is it to predict gender and plurals compared to German, what
is the general
distribution of strong, weak, or irregulars compared as well?


I think daegga covered this better than I could have. I haven't studied German at all
but I know that Icelandic has a lot more weak verbs than strong ones and irregulars are
rare. The problem is that there are so many types of verbs that them being "regular"
doesn't help a lot.

Henkkles wrote:
Þú kom
sem gjöf frá himnum!

My question is not so much about the language itself, but I would so desire to know
where could I find Icelanders to talk to? I'd like to have someone from Iceland to chat
with in Icelandic, be it Skype contact or a forum full of Icelanders.


(komst*)

https://bland.is/messageboard/messageboard.aspx?advtype=52

You can talk about anything at all on this forum and you would probably get some
replies if you ask for skype contacts but I can't guarantee the quality of the language
used there.

BY THE WAY: I don't know if it's been posted before but this website is by far the best
source on the web for Icelandic inflection, I use it all the time. It even has an
English version.
http://bin.arnastofnun.is/DMII/
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dmaddock1
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 Message 10 of 21
24 January 2014 at 4:33pm | IP Logged 
Brilliant idea Jon, and thanks! I'm preparing for a trip to Iceland this summer and have been studying a bit of Icelandic language and literature on the side. Forgive me for what I think is going to be a laundry list of questions that have been kicking around my brain:

1. Tourist-level Icelandic, endearing or insulting in general? Since it seems everyone speaks English well in Iceland and I'm a native English speaker, I'm wondering how good my Icelandic needs to be before I try it out...

2. Learning materials are uncommon. Are you familiar with the quality of what's out there (especially besides Colloquial & Teach Yourself)? I'm using these audio lessons made by a native English speaker and this course by the University of Iceland.

3. Is there a good Icelandic book store chain I should look for? (Reykjavik area). I always buy a stack of books and DVDs when I travel.

4. Books: Besides the sagas, could you name a few classic books that you think would be readable by a motivated learner? Something that every kid reads in school around age 13, for example.

5. DVDs: Like #4, but for TV and films. I hope to pick up some DVDs that have subtitles in both Icelandic and English.

Thanks!
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JonJonsson
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 Message 11 of 21
25 January 2014 at 5:37am | IP Logged 
dmaddock1 wrote:
Brilliant idea Jon, and thanks! I'm preparing for a trip to Iceland
this summer and have been studying a bit of Icelandic language and literature on the
side. Forgive me for what I think is going to be a laundry list of questions that have
been kicking around my brain:

1. Tourist-level Icelandic, endearing or insulting in general? Since it seems everyone
speaks English well in Iceland and I'm a native English speaker, I'm wondering how good
my Icelandic needs to be before I try it out...

2. Learning materials are uncommon. Are you familiar with the quality of what's out
there (especially besides Colloquial & Teach Yourself)? I'm using
these audio
lessons
made by a native English speaker and this
course
by the University of Iceland.

3. Is there a good Icelandic book store chain I should look for? (Reykjavik area). I
always buy a stack of books and DVDs when I travel.

4. Books: Besides the sagas, could you name a few classic books that you think would be
readable by a motivated learner? Something that every kid reads in school around age
13, for example.

5. DVDs: Like #4, but for TV and films. I hope to pick up some DVDs that have subtitles
in both Icelandic and English.

Thanks!


1. There seems to be a myth going around about Icelandic being some holy gift
exclusively bestowed upon the Icelandic people and that no one else can learn it. I
suspect that, unless you are really determined, people will just chuckle at the silly
tourist and continue the conversation in English. But, of course, it completely depends
on the person you talk to. Some people may be very supportive, I know I would be.

2. I'm not very familiar with the resources available but the internet is the best
place. I think I saw a pretty good list somewhere on this site but can't remember
where. http://tungumalatorg.is/viltu_laera_islensku/en/ this course looks good.

3. Eymundsson and Mál og menning are good and very noticeable in the city
center. There's also a wonderful used book store on Hverfisgata called
Bókin.

4. Englar Alheimsins (also a movie) and Riddarar Hringstigans by Einar
Már Guðmundsson are pretty good and are read in the 8th and 9th grade. You should also
check out Arnaldur Indriðason, his style is simple and modern. Laxness would be a big
challenge because he doesn't use standard spelling and the style and vocabulary are so
peculiar that even most Icelanders won't understand everything. However, the reward is
very great if you step up to the challenge.

5. The majority (or all) of DVD's sold in stores have English and Icelandic subtitles,
there's always info on the back. I really recommend the Næturvaktin, Dagvaktin and
Fangavaktin
series and the movie Bjarnfreðarson, which is about the main
character (starring the current mayor of Reykjavík). Djúpið is also good.
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1e4e6
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 Message 12 of 21
25 January 2014 at 5:50am | IP Logged 
With Point 1., would they switch back to Icelandic if the tourist cannot speak English
(or their English is A1 at most, or A0)?
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JonJonsson
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 Message 13 of 21
25 January 2014 at 6:10am | IP Logged 
1e4e6 wrote:
With Point 1., would they switch back to Icelandic if the tourist cannot
speak English
(or their English is A1 at most, or A0)?


Probably not. I think people would use really simple English and talk very clearly with
gestures rather than switch to Icelandic. If the tourist obviously knows enough Icelandic
for a simple interaction to go smoothly I think people will be pleasantly surprised and
talk Icelandic but any bumps will make them switch to English.
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Josquin
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 Message 14 of 21
25 January 2014 at 1:32pm | IP Logged 
dmaddock1 wrote:
2. Learning materials are uncommon. Are you familiar with the quality of what's out there (especially besides Colloquial & Teach Yourself)? I'm using these audio lessons made by a native English speaker and this course by the University of Iceland.

If I might chime in: I have worked through Colloquial Icelandic and I found it a very good course. It has a somewhat steep learning curve, but if you don't obsess about understanding everything the first time you see it, it's really good.

I haven't worked with TY, but I have heard good things about Hippocrene's Beginner's Icelandic. It seems to be a bit easier than Colloquial. Viltu læra íslensku? (the one Jón gave the link for) is a very good TV programme for learners of Icelandic IMHO.

You might also want to have a look at the Icelandic Profile that I wrote some time ago. There's a list of resources at the end.
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dmaddock1
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 Message 15 of 21
25 January 2014 at 2:30pm | IP Logged 
Thanks, both of you.
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Stolan
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 Message 16 of 21
25 January 2014 at 5:32pm | IP Logged 
daegga wrote:
Stolan wrote:
How easy is it to predict gender and plurals compared to German, what
is the
general
distribution of strong, weak, or irregulars compared as well?


Funny question, because you are ignoring the real issue here: knowing gender,
nominative
singular and nominative plural isn't enough to know to which of the 30+ declination
classes
the noun belongs.
But in terms of predictability, gender seems to be the easiest task, probably quite a
bit
easier than German. Weak nouns are no problem if you know the handful of neutra by
heart.
But even for strong nouns, you can make some educated guesses. If you have some
etymological
knowledge, the whole system of declinations makes a bit more sense and increases your
probabilities of getting it right by guessing, but it's nonetheless a daunting task to
learn
the morphological attributes of all the words you can't guess. That's my learner's
perspective at least. If you think German is hard, don't even get started with
Icelandic ;)


Well it is an Island with half a million people only, this is kinda what happens.
I am interested now in Icelandic nouns. 30+ classes, I have to look into this.
Ooh I am looking at some of the verbs and nouns, wooh, this isn't like Latin where I have some "feel" now.

Edited by Stolan on 25 January 2014 at 6:03pm



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