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| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4290 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 9 of 17 28 January 2014 at 10:18am | IP Logged | ||
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This system is present in the Germanic languages, like Dutch equivalent of
cold/colder/coldest is koud/kouder/koudst, and much/more/most is veel/meer/meest, so basically this group is irregular and must be memorised. This is similar to the two classes of verbs, the strong and weak class. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4622 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 10 of 17 28 January 2014 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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Which is one advantage of learning German from an English speakers point of view. No need to bother with two classes of adjectives, simply shove -er on the end to make the comparative form (aside from a couple of very common exceptions).
Even so-called "difficult" languages have their easy bits :-) Edited by beano on 28 January 2014 at 12:57pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 11 of 17 28 January 2014 at 2:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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And every easy language has its excruciating moments...
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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5228 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 12 of 17 28 January 2014 at 4:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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Natives use tautologies like that when they want to sound cute or childish. If you use it without intending humor, you probably will be mercilessly mocked.
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| schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5560 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 13 of 17 28 January 2014 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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I was wondering myself if it developed from some exaggerated humourous usage.
but you can already modify comparitives, such as: - that is even healthier - that is much healthier - that is much more healthy (probably breaks some other rule, but seems ok to me) so it seems actually a bit arbitrary to say that "more healthier" sounds childish or stupid. if the grammarians hadn#t codified the language precisely when they did, we would probabaly all be saying it. Edited by schoenewaelder on 28 January 2014 at 7:19pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5228 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 14 of 17 28 January 2014 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | ||
1. Of course it's arbitrary: most grammatical rules are. Nonetheless, there's a fact of the matter, and, arbitrary preference or no, some usages sound childish and/or stupid. Unjust? Perhaps. Nonetheless, the way things are? Yes. Put it this way: surely it's arbitrary that blue is associated with boys and pink is associated with girls. Nonetheless, the statement "Blue is usually associated with boys" is true and "Pink is usually associated with boys" is false. 2. I'm not aware codification has anything to do with this. So far as I know, this isn't a case of grammarians importing a rule from Latin and applying it to English. Rather it's just the way the language has developed--grammarians didn't cause it, just described it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4533 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 15 of 17 28 January 2014 at 8:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well "most def" for "most definite", that is "absolutely definite" is certainly an accepted part of slang English. Edited by patrickwilken on 28 January 2014 at 8:27pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5228 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 16 of 17 28 January 2014 at 8:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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Short for "most definitely," I would think.
"Most definitely" and "most definite" are both, for the record, accepted parts of even non-slang English. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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