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| ChristopherB Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 6316 days ago 851 posts - 1074 votes  2 sounds Speaks: English*, German, French | Message 1 of 33 26 February 2008 at 9:04am | IP Logged | ||
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As with the "please" thread, a look at the translations of the word "sorry" is the focus of this particular thread. Again, a word that exists in some form in all languages, but often in varying forms.
For example, German uses the phrase "es tut mir Leid"; lit. "it does to me sorrow". How many languages possess a single word, as opposed to a phrasal variant? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gilgamesh Tetraglot Senior Member England Joined 6242 days ago 452 posts - 468 votes 14 sounds Speaks: Dutch, English, German, French Studies: Polish | Message 2 of 33 26 February 2008 at 9:34am | IP Logged | ||
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In German you can also say: "Entschuldigung"
Dutch: sorry, het spijt me Greek: συγγνώμη (signomi) French: pardon, je suis desolé(e), excusez-moi, excuse-moi Italian: scusa, scusi Spanish: perdon 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| rob Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 6165 days ago 287 posts - 288 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Norwegian, Mandarin | Message 3 of 33 26 February 2008 at 9:47am | IP Logged | ||
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Japanese: ごめんなさい・すみません・申し訳ございま せん。(Gomennasai/Sumimasen/Moushi wake gozaimasen - this last one means something like "there is no excuse I can say"). In fact, I think there are rather substantial books on ways to apologise in Japanese... but let's just stick with these 3! Edited by rob on 26 February 2008 at 9:48am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7156 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 4 of 33 26 February 2008 at 10:37am | IP Logged | ||
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Czech: omlouvam se ("I apologize"); promiň (informal) / promiňte! (formal) ("forgive me/us"); je mi lito (literally "[it] is to me regretful"); lituji ("I regret")
Slovak: ospravdlňujem sa ("I apologize"); prepáč (informal) / prepáčte (formal) ("forgive me/us"); pardon! (colloquial and used in situations similar to when we use "[I'm] sorry!" or "excuse me!" (e.g. if you accidentally step on someone's toe or need to get by someone in the narrow corridor of a railroad wagon.); je mi luto (literally "[it] is to me regretful"); ľutujem ("I regret") Polish: przepraszam ("I apologize"); przykro mi (literally "regretfully for me") sorki (very colloquial and used in situations similar to when we use "[I'm] sorry!") Ukrainian: перепрошую (pereproshuyu - literally "I apologize" or "I beg your pardon") BCS / Serbo-Croatian: žao mi je (similar to German "Es tut mir Leid"); oprosti!/izvini! (informal)/ oprostite!/izvinite (formal) (literally "forgive me/us!") [N.B. I learned in my Croatian course and from Croatian prescriptivists that "oprosti(te)" is Croatian but "izvini(te)" is Serbian. However with the amount of times I heard "izvini(te)" used by my avowedly Croatian friends, I get the impression that choice of usage is less clear and both forms are acceptable by most Bosnians, Croats, Montenegrins and Serbs.) Slovenian: žal mi je (similar to German "Es tut mir Leid"); oprosti! / oprostite! (literally "forgive me/us!") Hungarian: sajnálom ("I regret"); bocsánat ("forgiveness"); bocs (colloquial version of "bocsánat"); bocsánatot kérek ("I ask for forgiveness", "excuse me") Edited by Chung on 26 February 2008 at 3:57pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Vlad Trilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member Czechoslovakia foreverastudent.com Joined 6584 days ago 443 posts - 576 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, Hungarian*, Mandarin, EnglishC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Serbian, French Studies: Persian, Taiwanese, Romanian, Portuguese | Message 5 of 33 26 February 2008 at 11:14am | IP Logged | ||
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Chung:
In both Czech and Slovak saying 'Sorry' in respective accents is very very frequent too. Edited by Vlad on 26 February 2008 at 11:15am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7156 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 6 of 33 26 February 2008 at 3:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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Among Eastern Europeans I thought that only Poles had adapted the English "sorry" to their version "sorki". That's interesting what the Czechs and Slovaks do. I'd never heard about it before.
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| rodYon Pentaglot Newbie Croatia Joined 6148 days ago 38 posts - 38 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Serbian, Croatian*, Latin, French, English Studies: Italian | Message 7 of 33 27 February 2008 at 1:55am | IP Logged | ||
were your Croatian friends from the region of Slavonia? or Croatians from BiH? the thing is that there is also a verb "izvinuti" (or "izviti"), which means "to twist", "to distort", as f.ex. twist a hand/an arm, twist a piece of aluminium, a wire, etc. and i really have no idea how that started to be used to say "i'm sorry" :? there are a few similiar verbs- izviti, izvijati, izvinuti, all of which can have "se", maybe over the time their forms became so similar that it is sometimes impossible to distinguish.. anyways, it sometimes makes me laugh; i always ask "what exactly do you want me to twist?" or "ok, but i don't have pliers, do you?" oprostiti- now that is logical. other words- oprost, oproštaj, opraštanje, oprostiti, opraštati. ps. http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:WS0c93DwJI8J:www.webste rs-online-dictionary.org/translation/Serbian%2B%252528Latin% 2BScript%252529/index34.html+izviti+izvinuti+izvijati&hl=en& ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=hr veeery interesting! izvini/te is an eastern variant, that is why i asked if your friends were from Slavonia. in Croatia, izvini etc is used almost exclusively there. linguistically there are many many similarities between Serbian and Croatian spoken in Slavonia, probably due to geolinguistical and historical reasons (intonation, words and some other distinctive features are much more closer to Serbian than to Croatian). what is also very common in Croatia- is "pardon" and "sori" (sori among younger people or among friends). in the region of Dalmatia you can hear "skužajte (me)", which comes (probably) from Italian (or maybe French)- scusi, or excuse(-moi). and the most important- if you really want to be polite, you should say "ispričavam se"- i excuse myself. so i don't see a reason good enough why izvini/te should be used/tolerated in standard Croatian. Edited by rodYon on 27 February 2008 at 7:07am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7156 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 8 of 33 27 February 2008 at 8:53am | IP Logged | ||
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For the friends who were using "izvinite" rather than "oprostite", I have no idea where they were from. All that I know was that I was in Zagreb when I heard this and they consider themselves to be Croats. It was a little ironic since the prescriptivist language academy is in Zagreb.
I agree that in Standard Croatian "izvini(te)" is not recognized and its use is proscribed. I learned as much when I studied Croatian. At the same time, tolerance is different since it leads into the matter of whether a group of academics can enforce their ideas of language use on all language users and thus pass judgement of whether those language users are using "good" or "bad" language. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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