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jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map
| Message 9 of 15 29 July 2012 at 2:23pm | IP Logged |
Maybe slightly higher pitch, but the important thing is simply to use stress, like in the PREsent vs. preSENT example above - unless you scream the stressed syllable in your English, I don't think it would feel natural for you to scream in Spanish.
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| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian
| Message 10 of 15 29 July 2012 at 6:12pm | IP Logged |
I think you're overthinking the whole concept. Just listen to some spoken Spanish and you will internalize stress, pitch, and prosody automatically.
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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5767 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin
| Message 11 of 15 29 July 2012 at 8:50pm | IP Logged |
quesuerte wrote:
So, just to clarify, the pitch on the last stressed syllable is higher than it would usually be? I need to exaggerate it slightly? |
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That's why I said to listen to Spanish. (If you have auditory problems, please excuse me for this remark.)
From a native English speaking point of view, that last syllable probably sounds monotonous, so I wouldn't advise you to exaggerate it. Train yourself to hear the way stress is realized in Spanish and to copy it.
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| FELlX Diglot Groupie France Joined 4771 days ago 94 posts - 149 votes Speaks: French*, English
| Message 12 of 15 29 July 2012 at 10:57pm | IP Logged |
The stress is marked with a ' in the following words:
'Una bici'cleta
Disposi'ción
Compo'nente
'Célula
Ca'misa
Note that I'm not a Spanish speaker - I found these audios and transcribed them -, and that in my native language, words do not have stressed syllables at all, so this shouldn't be too difficult for you.
EDIT: corrected three, had forgotten to rectify the stress mark on the first word, and got the second and the third wrong, thanks tractor
Edited by FELlX on 29 July 2012 at 11:55pm
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| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5454 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin
| Message 13 of 15 29 July 2012 at 11:51pm | IP Logged |
Felix, you've got a couple of them wrong. Should be: 'una, disposi'ción, compo'nente.
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| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5227 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese
| Message 14 of 15 16 August 2012 at 7:52pm | IP Logged |
The 'present vs pre'sent thing nails it, that's all you should need to get stress right.
Bao wrote:
From a native English speaking point of view, that last syllable probably sounds monotonous... |
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a couple other things you may want to pay attention to:
-pitch does not usually change, except at the end of questions.
-Spanish is not stress-timed but syllable-timed, i.e. in English you seem to slow down and 'relish' on stressed syllables while you quickly go over the rest, so f.e. in 'an orange' and 'an orange ball' you pronounce 'orange' with different speeds. This does NOT happen in Spanish.
Michael Swan refers to this as "the 'bored' effect" when describing Spanish learners' English (Spanish speech patterns carried over to English)
Edited by mrwarper on 16 August 2012 at 7:53pm
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| justonelanguage Diglot Groupie United States Joined 4463 days ago 98 posts - 128 votes Speaks: English, Spanish
| Message 15 of 15 14 September 2012 at 4:33pm | IP Logged |
Wat? Here are the correct stresses for the words you gave:
"e" of "bicicleta"
"ó" of "disposición"
"nen" of "componente"
"é" of "célula"
"i" of "camisa"
I'm always amazed at how people don't just memorize a few, finite rules for grammar and pronunciation. It's so much easier just knowing a few rules and applying them to examples. If it ends in a "vowel, n, or s", stress is placed on penultimate syllable. If not, stressed is placed on last syllable. If there is an accent mark, the accent mark is where stressed is placed. Very simple, easy to remember.
'Una bici'cleta
Disposi'ción
Compo'nente
'Célula
Ca'misa
FELlX wrote:
The stress is marked with a ' in the following words:
'Una bici'cleta
Disposi'ción
Compo'nente
'Célula
Ca'misa
Note that I'm not a Spanish speaker - I found these audios and transcribed them -, and that in my native language, words do not have stressed syllables at all, so this shouldn't be too difficult for you.
EDIT: corrected three, had forgotten to rectify the stress mark on the first word, and got the second and the third wrong, thanks tractor |
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