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Chung
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 Message 17 of 21
10 August 2012 at 6:18pm | IP Logged 
QiuJP wrote:
Chung, considering how different in the ways Finnish handles the direct object, as well
as the fact that it is in a totally different language family from the languages I know
or dubbed, Finnish as definitely make it to my hit list. I believe it will add spices to
the conversation with my friend mentioned in the first post.


Just don't let it interfere unduly with your plan to learn all of the Slavonic languages.
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QiuJP
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 Message 18 of 21
11 August 2012 at 6:23pm | IP Logged 
Chung wrote:
QiuJP wrote:
Chung, considering how different in the ways Finnish
handles the direct object, as well
as the fact that it is in a totally different language family from the languages I know
or dubbed, Finnish as definitely make it to my hit list. I believe it will add spices to
the conversation with my friend mentioned in the first post.


Just don't let it interfere unduly with your plan to learn all of the Slavonic languages.


Of course, and this why I have more posts on Russian recently. :)
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QiuJP
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 Message 19 of 21
13 August 2012 at 5:13pm | IP Logged 
Марк wrote:

The same is with people. The choice of preposition does not depend on whether it is
used with a person or a place but on the meaning. В него летит мяч. Grammar books are
wrong. The usage of the prepositions in these cases is not idiomatic.


Марк, I had asked my ex-Russian tutor and she thinks that while your sentence "В него
летит мяч." is not wrong, it is weird, because it means that the ball can fly into the
person's body. The better expression should be "К нему летит мяч.", unless you are
talking about quantum mechanics.
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Марк
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 Message 20 of 21
13 August 2012 at 7:35pm | IP Logged 
QiuJP wrote:
Марк wrote:

The same is with people. The choice of preposition does not depend on whether it is
used with a person or a place but on the meaning. В него летит мяч. Grammar books are
wrong. The usage of the prepositions in these cases is not idiomatic.


Марк, I had asked my ex-Russian tutor and she thinks that while your sentence "В него
летит мяч." is not wrong, it is weird, because it means that the ball can fly into the
person's body. The better expression should be "К нему летит мяч.", unless you are
talking about quantum mechanics.

These are different things. If the ball is aimed to hit him, for example his face, it is
normal, from my point of view. But we can certainly say В него летит пуля.
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Chung
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 Message 21 of 21
25 August 2012 at 9:55am | IP Logged 
QiuJP, as if I should distract you from your current work, but you may want to see this thread about marking the direct object's definiteness. Direct objects in some languages take on some kind of marking (be it a suffix or what looks like a postposition) only when they carry some sense of definiteness, otherwise they stay uninflected and so look as if they're in the nominative.


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