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| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6141 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 73 of 231 21 December 2012 at 5:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
No, at least not in the form of it's own letter. Those sounds do exist in Greek, but you have to write them as ντ and γκ, just like how μπ is pronounced like /b/.
That should actually work well. When they've heard me speaking it, some people have commented that they think Greek sounds a lot like European Spanish.
You definitely can. A lot of Greeks don't know the rule and don't bother to distinguish between δεν and δε, at least not in writing. It will just look a bit odd to people who do know the rule. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| LanguageSponge Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5765 days ago 1197 posts - 1487 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Welsh, Russian, Japanese, Slovenian, Greek, Italian | Message 74 of 231 21 December 2012 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Unfortunately I won't get my hands on my Griechisch Ohne Mühe until I get home to London
on Christmas Eve, but I am ready to share one thing I personally find weird, and that I mentioned in an earlier post. That is that β is pronounced like an English V in Modern Greek. This messes with my head sometimes and at the moment I pronounce words like βιολογία, βιογραφία and βιβλιοθήκη with the English B sound, in accordance with older varieties of Greek pronunciation, instead of the modern way. This is probably slanderous for any Greek so I need to get out that habit right now. Jack 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5333 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 75 of 231 21 December 2012 at 7:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That sometimes happens in Russian too as you know, so I am trying to get used to it. And after Spanish where b and v are practically considered the same letter, and it is only the position in the word that decides whether it is pronounced like a b or a sort of v, nothing surprises me in that department. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4706 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 76 of 231 21 December 2012 at 7:21pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Russian has its own letter b though. Greek requires two.
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5333 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 77 of 231 21 December 2012 at 7:26pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
You are so right. I should be more specific. What I meant was that sometimes there are words that you would expect to be pronounced with a b, but which are pronounced with a V, because they have kept the b in spelling, and are then, according to Russian pronunciation rules pronounced with a v. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4706 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 78 of 231 21 December 2012 at 7:30pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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As a b? Can you give examples? V sometimes goes to f at the end of a word (кровь),
Ботвинников), but I cannot for the life of me think of a situation where a v is pronounced as a b in Russian. Edited by tarvos on 21 December 2012 at 7:31pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Kerrie Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Kerrie2 Joined 5394 days ago 1232 posts - 1740 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 79 of 231 21 December 2012 at 7:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
When I come across stuff like that, I listen to the word in Audacity. It's an audio editing program. You can highlight a selection (word, sentence, whatever), and listen to it as many times as you want to. It helps to get all the sounds *and* the rhythm right. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4638 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 80 of 231 21 December 2012 at 9:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Cristina, I totally concur as regards Greek and Spanish, and I'll probably speek Greek with a Spanish accent as well to begin with. More uncertain about the similarity with Russian, although I have noticed that I need to take care not to let the vowel reduction rules in Russian influence my pronunication in Greek!
By the way, I bought my Assimil Le Nouveau Grec today with the mp3 disc, and had a first look at it. The first lesson coincides with yours, Cristina. In my own log I will make a comparison between Assimil and Langenscheidt once I have time to do so. My first remark is that the audio for the first lesson is excrutiatingly slow. Although I appreciate a soft introduction, I do prefer a slightly more natural speak pattern, even from the start. I'm off to finish packing my suitcase, tomorrow I am travelling, and I am not sure when I will be back on HTLAL. The next week will be dedicated to family and friends in my home country (and hopefully to lots of language learning). Happy Holidays to all my Spartan team mates. Edited by Ogrim on 21 December 2012 at 9:10pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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