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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 9 of 76 26 August 2013 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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For fun, I have been trying to learn the Welsh National Anthem. It helps that my wife
knows it, and there are quite a few renderings on youtube. Of these, the best I have found so far for my purposes is this: Welsh Anthem-Land of my Fathers It's good because it's a male voice, (which I hear better than female, although I love the sound of female voices as well), not overwhelmed by the instrumental or vocal accompaniment, and nicely sung (although they are all nicely sung). And it has the lyrics, which many other versions on youtube also have. Here is the 1st verse and chorus: LYRICS: Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi, Gwlad beirdd a chantorion, enwogion o fri; Ei gwrol ryfelwyr, gwladgarwyr tra mâd, Dros ryddid collasant eu gwaed. (Chorus) Gwlad, gwlad, pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad. Tra môr yn fur i'r bur hoff bau, O bydded i'r hen iaith barhau. (Repeat Chorus) I won't bother with any translations. I'm not a fan of nationalism, and not normally of national anthems, but this one sounds lovely. I think we can safely leave most of the words unvisited, but I can strongly support the last line of the chorus, which I have seen rendered as: "Oh may the old language endure!" Indeed, long may it endure. Edited by montmorency on 26 August 2013 at 10:20pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 10 of 76 29 August 2013 at 7:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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I keep being distracted (but in a good Welsh way) by a great little programme called
HWB from S4C, most of which seems to get uploaded to youtube on channel hwbtv. "Hwb" according to google translate means "boost", which makes sense. Here's the irresistible Nansi showing us how to make Pizza yn Gymraeg: Calonnau Pitsa Nansi Nansi's pizza hearts And having a little fun at the expense of the local evening class: Y Wers Gymraeg the last bit of which is reminiscent of a screamingly funny set by Rhod Gilbert Rhod Gilbert learning Welsh Edited by montmorency on 29 August 2013 at 8:29pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 11 of 76 31 August 2013 at 12:47am | IP Logged | ||
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Finally got through lesson 6.1, and started 6.2, and on to the 2nd person future.
I see from the forum that lesson 6 used to be one large lesson and was split up; there is also a bonus lesson, 6b. And also that I'm not the only person who had problems with it. I was taking a bit too long over it though, and it's good to move on. Relaxing by listening to Radio Cymru, very non-intensively. EDIT: Speaking of Radio Cymru, it is perhaps worth mentioning this series of podcasts: Pigion which are basically items from RC which have been collected together with Welsh learners in mind, and there is a corresponding series of notes to accompany them: Pigion notes latest Edited by montmorency on 31 August 2013 at 1:46am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 12 of 76 01 September 2013 at 12:57am | IP Logged | ||
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Managed to finish lesson 6.2 and the bonus lesson, 6.3 or 6b, today.
6.1 and 6.2 will definitely have to be gone over again I think, although I'd also quite like to move on. I also did the weekly 5 minute practice listening and speaking sessions. (There are daily practice sessions available if one signs up for the (modest) subscription]. Although I've found these recent lessons hard (and from the SSiW forum I see that most people do), I can tell that this course is working, even if I'm not sure how. I'll often start the lesson, sure that I can hardly remember anything of what I've learned so far, but when it's my turn to speak, something always comes out, and it's surprising how much you remember that you didn't even know you'd remembered. I said it was like Michel Thomas, but it's more like Michel Thomas on stilts and on speed: there is so much in it: the large number of basic lessons; plus vocab lessons; plus practice lessons: plus the forum (which has the active participation of the course creators, and more experienceed students): possibility of meetups, and the fantastic- sounding "Bootcamps", which are immersion "no English" week long residential weeks in Wales. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 13 of 76 01 September 2013 at 2:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sunday 1st September: The weekend seemed to be a fitting time to revise lessons 1-5,
before the new week starts. I'm just going through them fairly quickly, using the pause button as little as possible. It's good to reinforce the things that didn't quite go in before, and a relief to realise I haven't forgotten as much as I was sure I would have. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5555 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 14 of 76 01 September 2013 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sounds like you're enjoying those SSiW lessons and making steady progress, keep up the good work! I chuckled when I read your description: "like Michel Thomas on stilts and on speed". ;)
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 15 of 76 02 September 2013 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | ||
Diolch yn fawr iawn T. Well, some days go better than others I must admit. I sometimes get mixed up with my "nes i ddim"s and "nes t'i ddim"s, etc, then just when I think I've got the hang of that, they introduce a new pattern, and I wonder if I'll cope with it. While I've never really liked the word "drill" when applied to language, it does seem mainly to be a case of repeating these patterns until they are second nature, which is how we use our first language (without thinking about it, except when writing more elaborate pieces). I notice I react badly to tiredness, and need to do new stuff with a refreshed mind. I soon feel overloaded otherwise. Edited by montmorency on 02 September 2013 at 11:02pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Tahl Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4287 days ago 26 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English*, Welsh Studies: Spanish, Finnish | Message 16 of 76 02 September 2013 at 8:48pm | IP Logged | ||
To elaborate a bit for those who haven't tried SSIW . . . one important way that SSIW differs from Michel Thomas and from Pimsleur is that SSIW moves more slowly through material and builds in much much more usage of the patterns and vocabulary you learn along the way. SSIW can do that, of course, because it's so much longer: each course (1 through 3) is about 18 hours long, plus there are the daily five-minute practice sessions each for speaking and listening. The lessons de-emphasize vocabulary in favor of building up your instinctive command of language patterns. For me, that totally worked. I'm doing Pimsleur Finnish right now, and find myself wishing they wouldn't try to pack as much material in, and instead drill more often in what's been taught. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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