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| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4388 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes  Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 1 of 13 28 August 2013 at 3:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have gone through the first 37 assimili russian lessons, I am under the impression that at times word
endings are not fully pronounced and at times even a bit blurred , to give you some examples : Ые in красивые seems like the final e isnt pronuonced , aя in расшатанная is pronounced like a shwa sound , and others similar , is because of my untrained ear ? (I have listened a lot of times the same few words ) ,is it normal , is it only something that some speakers do ? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 2 of 13 28 August 2013 at 4:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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That's normal. Unstressed vowels in Russian are reduced. How much depends on the speaker. Edited by tarvos on 28 August 2013 at 4:18pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 3 of 13 28 August 2013 at 6:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'd say we actually pronounce something like красивыи and расшатанныа, kinda. the й in an ending (also понимаишь for example) takes a bit of effort to pronounce properly :P
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| vonPeterhof Tetraglot Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4772 days ago 715 posts - 1527 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Japanese, German Studies: Kazakh, Korean, Norwegian, Turkish | Message 4 of 13 28 August 2013 at 8:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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To expand on what tarvos and Serpent have written, the "proper"/careful pronunciations of the words you gave as examples are, roughly, красИвыйи and расшАтаннайи. Note however that even in careful pronunciation the unstressed vowels aren't identical to their stressed counterparts: the а's are in fact pronounced more like schwas, the и's are more closed (making them somewhat closer to ы's), etc. (more about this here). Many, if not most, speakers find it hard to pronounce the й's between unstressed vowels, making the endings sound more like ыи/ыы and аи/аы, respectively. In very rapid (and/or very colloquial) speech the unstressed vowels get reduced even further, possibly resulting in pronunciations like крсИвы and ршатна. Those are extreme cases, but I believe that in general being aware of the standard patterns of vowel reduction would be helpful for your listening comprehension. Edited by vonPeterhof on 28 August 2013 at 8:08pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 5 of 13 28 August 2013 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hahaha, крсивы, ршатна, that sounds so familiar...
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 6 of 13 29 August 2013 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | ||
I think that the clear pronunciation is due to the fact that the recordings were made for learners, while the unclear pronunciation is the normal one. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 7 of 13 29 August 2013 at 2:36pm | IP Logged | ||
For Moscow Russian it's not typical. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 8 of 13 29 August 2013 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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I spent most of my time outside of Moscow though ;)
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