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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4049 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes  Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 1 of 29 28 October 2013 at 5:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi guys,
this is my first post here inside :) Amazing forum! Brief presentation: my name is Tristano, I'm Italian and in this moment I'm living in the Netherlands. My question is: I want to study both Dutch (because I'm here for a year and I'm still not able to talk with natives in Dutch, what a shame!) and Icelandic (I'm planning a vacation for the next summer in Iceland, I can't wait!). I already started (beginner in Dutch, superbeginner in Icelandic) but I have a question: do these two language interfere each other? I noticed that in some way having studied some Dutch makes me understand the new words more easily, but sometimes I have some Dutch interference on the pronunciation of certain consonants (most of all, 'v' and 'g'). Apart of this, do you guys think that is possible or it's pure madness? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4255 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 2 of 29 28 October 2013 at 5:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am currently doing German and Icelandic at the same time and I've noticed that they only compliment one another, the two are way too different to interfere with one another. I think that applies to Dutch as well. You can check my log every now and then. Edited by Henkkles on 28 October 2013 at 6:03pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5785 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 3 of 29 28 October 2013 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm not sure, I think even quite distantly related languages can interfere with each other.
For instance, my brain hates to use accusitive forms of nouns and pronouns with the German verb "fragen" (to ask) for human objects (i.e. the person being asked) because Spanish uses the indirect object for this purpose. I have to really concentrate with verbs like this. Similarly, my brain wants to put a reflexive pronoun on German verbs whose Spanish equivalents have one etc, etc. Edited by Random review on 28 October 2013 at 7:34pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4255 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 4 of 29 28 October 2013 at 7:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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That just proves that interference depends on the person. I believe it's a skill that you can train though.
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| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5785 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 5 of 29 28 October 2013 at 9:51pm | IP Logged | ||
I think there are a number of factors involved. Firstly , German is only the second language I've put serious work into (I've "played at" a few others): under the assumption that my native language (English) is processed in a different part of my brain and that I am building my mental model of German using the same structures I used for Spanish, I think some degree of interference is likely. Secondly, odd though it may sound, some of the skills I gained studying Spanish have actually helped with my German. I think that if you use these prior skills to help with your new language, you are also "opening the door" to the interference (unless you are experienced enough to control this process in more detail- presumably one of the things you are alluding to with your idea that you can train the ability not to allow interference to occur). I think both these factors will be less of a problem for experienced learners (as opposed to myself, just studying my second foreign language). I notice the OP seems to have more languages under his belt than me. I'm not sure what effect the fact that he'll be studying Dutch and Icelandic concurrently rather than consecutively will have on the phenomenon. Finally, Icelandic and Dutch are more closely related than Spanish and German, presumably that would make interference more of a problem than in my case, although I'm sure I read somewhere that Icelandic is somehow quite different from the languages in the Sprachbund of continental Europe, so who knows? Edited by Random review on 28 October 2013 at 9:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6599 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 6 of 29 29 October 2013 at 2:09am | IP Logged | ||
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See this wikia article :)
Also, how long will you remain in the Netherlands? Unless you have years ahead of you, make the most of the opportunity. Unless you are a bit bored of Dutch, that is. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4709 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 7 of 29 29 October 2013 at 8:50am | IP Logged | ||
Dutch and Icelandic are too far apart for this to matter. Do make sure that you separate the phonologies of both languages as Icelandic sounds markedly different from Dutch. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4049 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 8 of 29 30 October 2013 at 12:14am | IP Logged | ||
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Hey guys, thank you very much for your answers!
My impression since now is that I can manage to do it but of course is more difficult with Icelandic... just to start from the fact that I'm in the Netherlands now and It's easy to find natives with whom to talk; also as available resources and even the methods, for Icelandic I found 3 courses: the Teach Yourself that seems really old school, the Colloquial Icelandic that semms better but with a more rapid learning curve that can be tricky to follow for a beginner like me, and the Linguaphone that I didn't look at it yet. With Dutch I have Michael Thomas, Assimil and Pimsleur (I'm doing this one now, too bad it's only phase 1). @Tarvos: the pronunciation of Icelandic seems to me trickyer than the grammar after few days... and yes, probably my major problem is here now, it would be nice to have something like the Pimsleur. @Serpent, I'm not bored of Dutch. I didn't learn properly the language because I had previously to improve my English as my main priority. I studied English in an untraditional way: for 4-5 years I watched only movies and tv series in English, stopping completely to watch them in Italian. Than the day of my interview to take the job in the Netrherlands was the first time I had a real conversation in English! So I have a good comprehension of people with a lot of completely different and often really strong accents who talk really fast but I'm completely unaware of the grammar: I write and I talk how seems natural to me. @Random review and @Henkkles: this moment I was talking in English with a French guy and sometimes I thought the answer in Dutch and I had to translate back menthally in English... I guess a certain level of interference is unavoidable, to me it's important to know if they can make themselves so messed up that it's impossible to learn both at the same time (like I heard with German and Dutch or Spanish and Portuguese). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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