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| flydream777 Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6491 days ago 77 posts - 102 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: German, Russian, Portuguese, Mandarin, Greek, Hungarian, Armenian, Irish, Italian | Message 1 of 14 05 December 2013 at 8:04am | IP Logged |
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I'm going through the Assimil course and noticed some speakers pronounce the "r" sound with a tongue-tap
and others pronounce it in the back of their throat (almost imperceptibly). Is this a regional difference? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6909 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 2 of 14 05 December 2013 at 11:13am | IP Logged |
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Yes, it's regional:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_dialects 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4668 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 3 of 14 05 December 2013 at 7:59pm | IP Logged |
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| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 4099 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 4 of 14 05 December 2013 at 8:47pm | IP Logged |
And since you speak French and study German, let's expand the graphics. ;)
(dark purple = guttural R in general speech, lighter purple = guttural R in educated speech only) 5 persons have voted this message useful | |
| flydream777 Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6491 days ago 77 posts - 102 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: German, Russian, Portuguese, Mandarin, Greek, Hungarian, Armenian, Irish, Italian | Message 5 of 14 05 December 2013 at 9:18pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks. That really helped :-)
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| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4665 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 6 of 14 06 December 2013 at 12:17am | IP Logged |
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How accurate is the French part of that map anymore? I've encountered exactly 0 French people who use the alveolar trill and get the feeling it's more a matter of age than of education level (I sometimes hear it on old recordings or in interviews with quite old people). The only young to middle aged people I have spoken to or even heard using it in media are French speakers from Africa.
Edit: even people who have clearly audible "southern" accents generally don't seem to use it; for example, the guy at 0:32 of this video. Edited by tastyonions on 06 December 2013 at 11:08am 5 persons have voted this message useful | |
| KimG Diglot Groupie Norway Joined 4977 days ago 88 posts - 104 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Portuguese, Swahili | Message 7 of 14 08 December 2013 at 2:37pm | IP Logged |
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From my point of view as a Norwegian, its more impressive that a learner actually learns and uses one of the R's correctly, than emulating a regional accent. And on the border of that zone, as Voss in hordarland, you can hear both Rs used, by same person even.
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5334 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 8 of 14 08 December 2013 at 2:57pm | IP Logged |
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And then of course in order to mess up any neatly drawn maps, you need to know that there are some people
with a standard Eastern dialect, who use the r commonly used in the South and the West. I grew up with a father who used it because he grew up in Flekkefjord and a sister who used it because she grew up in Haugesund. By the time I was born we had moved to Tønsberg where they used the "normal" r, so I have never used it. It was also considered posh, because a lot of children from wealthy families had nannies from the South of Norway or from Denmark, and adopted the same r. And tastyonions - you have no idea how old you just made me feel :-) I have spoken with several people my age from the South of France who used the " Spanish" r. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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