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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 9 of 14 08 December 2013 at 2:58pm | IP Logged | ||
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In all the regions of the world where the alveolar flap or trill are used, there are
people who pronouce a throat sound instead, but not vice-versa. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5166 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 10 of 14 09 December 2013 at 4:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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I always use the alveolar tap intervocalically in Norwegian but I have trouble with
initial r. I don't think it sounds as harsh as Spanish r, an alveolar trill, so I just make it an alveolar tap too. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4668 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 11 of 14 09 December 2013 at 5:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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It's easier to use the uvular R in Norwegian/Swedish since one doesn't have to bother with retroflex consonants (which are not difficult within a word (hvoRDan) /unless a difficult word like Hornstull is involved/, but can be difficult between words: hvordan gåR Det ). If you (want to) speak Standard Østnorsk, there's no getting away from the retroflex sandhi.
''Complicating matters further is the fact that even the /rd/-exception is not exceptionless, since the male name Bård is pronounced [1bo:ɖ ], or [1bo:ɾ ]. More interesting is the fact that split pronunciation of /rd/ is governed by stress. After a stressed vowel we almost always find only [ɾd] and rarely [ɖ ], while in unstressed vowels the opposite holds. Here we invariably find [ ɖ ], while [ɾd] is not possible. Thus we find obligatory [fɔ.1ɖi:], fordi ‘because’, and [gɑ.1ɖi:n],gardin ‘curtain’. This pattern is also reflected in alternations. The word garde, ‘guard’ is pronounced [2gɑɾ.də], while the derived gardist , ‘guardsman’, where stress is moved to the suffix, is pronounced [gɑ.1ɖist]. An example where stress is moved to the vowel preceding the /rd/ sequence is the male name Edvard and the corresponding female name Edvarda. The former is pronounced [1εd. ʋɑɖ ] (or [1εd. ʋɑʈ]), and the latter [εd.1ʋɑɾ.d ɑ].'' 'Phonology on Norwegian'' by G. Kristoffersen Edited by Medulin on 09 December 2013 at 5:25pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Guido Super Polyglot Senior Member ArgentinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6528 days ago 286 posts - 582 votes Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, German, Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, Catalan, Dutch, Swedish, Danish Studies: Russian, Indonesian, Romanian, Polish, Icelandic | Message 12 of 14 12 December 2013 at 6:51am | IP Logged | ||
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Here's an episode about the Rulle-R: Dialektriket
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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4668 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 13 of 14 12 December 2013 at 2:48pm | IP Logged | ||
''Kva er det med desse dialektane her i landet? Korfor vekker dei så sterke følelsar i oss? Yasmin Syed møter Geir Nesbakk som er villig til å gå i krigen for å behalda den flotte rulle-r-en sin. Men skarre-r-en er alt på full fart inn i Bremanger. Kan ein stoppa ei dialektendring? Kva er me eigentleg redde for? Norsk serie om nordmenn og dialektar. (5:6)'' Gotta love Nynorsk :p (The host does not speak Nynorsk but a dialect in which NORGE is pronounced as in Swedish [norrje], how interesting, her tonal/pitch system is definitely East Norwegian though) Edited by Medulin on 12 December 2013 at 2:52pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4253 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 14 of 14 22 December 2013 at 12:21am | IP Logged | ||
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My favorite kind of Norwegian is in this song;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsGGHyx4axY In short; the "r" varies among people and areas and I don't think it's that big of a deal. I use a rolled r whenever I feel the need to use Norwegian for anything because that's the most natural "r" for me and completely acceptable (at least from what I've heard). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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