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beano
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 Message 1 of 15
20 December 2013 at 10:50pm | IP Logged 
English of course has the verb "to have" but native speakers frequently denote possession by including the
word "got"

Have you got....?
I've got....

It seems to me that non-natives, particularly those who have never lived in an English-speaking countries
tend not to use "got" as often as the natives do. Is this because other languages tend just to have a direct
equivalent of "to have" which guides them towards phrasing the above examples as:

Do you have....?
I have....
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20 December 2013 at 11:27pm | IP Logged 
I was told that "have got" is more usual in England, but "have" in America, and both are acceptable to denote possession. So no problem if you prefer one of them.
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20 December 2013 at 11:35pm | IP Logged 
It might become even more complicated when not in the perfect tenses, like "I got it"
when one means that one understands, or like in cricket, when commentatora say when the
batsman gets caught in the slips, "Got 'im", which might sound even more odd.

But "Have you got" to me implies onot, "Have you...", but rather, "Have you received
(something in the past)?" Not everyone in the UK uses it, I remember someone from
university, during lunch, once asked me, "Have you the salt?" instead of, "Have you got
the salt?".

Edited by 1e4e6 on 20 December 2013 at 11:36pm

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21 December 2013 at 12:45am | IP Logged 
"Have you got...?" is certainly not rare in the areas where I've lived (Texas, Virginia, South Carolina), but "Do you have...?" is more common.
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21 December 2013 at 1:25am | IP Logged 
From the north and western states, the following are common:

Do you have....?
I have....
I've got....

Whereas these just sound tortured:

Have you got....?
I have got ...

To my ears, "got" only sounds right when the 'have' is contracted (I've got, we've got,
they've got), even though it might be technically proper to use it either way.

on reflection: in pidgen (Hawaiian Creole English) people say, "eh, you got any ... ?"
but this is very colloquial.
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21 December 2013 at 3:43am | IP Logged 
1e4e6 wrote:
It might become even more complicated when not in the perfect tenses, like "I got it" when one means that one understands, or like in cricket, when commentatora say when the batsman gets caught in the slips, "Got 'im", which might sound even more odd.
It's just the verb "get" though. In the examples elsewhere in the thread, it's not really considered to be the perfect tense although formally it looks like it and there might be a connotation of receiving/getting rather than just having.
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21 December 2013 at 4:32am | IP Logged 
beano wrote:
 English of course has the verb "to have" but native speakers frequently denote
possession by including the word "got"

Have you got....?
I've got....

It seems to me that non-natives, particularly those who have never lived in an English-
speaking countries tend not to use "got" as often as the natives do. Is this because other
languages tend just to have a direct equivalent of "to have" which guides them towards
phrasing the above examples as:

Do you have....?
I have....



I didn't know that "have got" was actually used by native speakers. To be honest, I've almost
never seen that use of the verb outside English learning books :P

When I started learning English at school, I was taught how to use "have got" to denote
possession. Our teacher taught it to us even before explaining us how to use the verb "to do"
in the present tense.

I used to use "have got", but then I realised that most people dropped the "got" and even
used the auxiliar "to do" with that verb. Since then, I use it that way.

Edited by nicozerpa on 21 December 2013 at 4:36am

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 Message 8 of 15
21 December 2013 at 4:43am | IP Logged 
It is true that I hear this very often in the UK, and it might become even more
complicated when the two "have"'s are mixed, like "You have had to have got the book in
stock today", but therein itself, it has different meanings:

"Have you got the lesson today?" (Do you understand today's lesson?)
"Have you got the lesson today?" (Do you have the lecture notes for the lesson today?)
"Have you got the lesson today?" (Do you have to attend the lesson today?)
"Have you got the lesson today?" (Did you receive the notes for the lesson today?)

Then the meanings carry into other tenses with "have":

"Have you have gotten the lesson today?"
"Have you had gotten the lesson today?"

I remember these combinations because once I asked an acquaintance who is runs a book
publishing house, "You had have to have had gotten this book in stock today, yes?"

Edited by 1e4e6 on 21 December 2013 at 4:53am



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