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| Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5016 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch | Message 9 of 25 11 June 2014 at 6:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
Why so ? Pictures will be the same from any broadcaster in the world. Only commentaries will differ. As far as I know football commentaries are neither an artistic work nor an intellectual production. If by any chance they have some value they will lose more than 90% of it when the 90 minutes are over. In my opinon football commentaries are of low interest for language learners - you would do better listening to your podcasts when watching the game sound off. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 4098 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 10 of 25 11 June 2014 at 7:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
While I agree, if you're going to watch/listen to football either way you might as well watch/listen to it in a language you're learning/maintaining. What's the harm in some extra exposure during a time you'd otherwise be busy with your native language? 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| nicozerpa Triglot Senior Member Argentina Joined 4325 days ago 182 posts - 315 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Portuguese, English Studies: Italian, German | Message 11 of 25 11 June 2014 at 11:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
It's because the broadcasting rights are sold by country. It means that, for example, if the BBC buys the TV rights for the United Kingdom, it can broadcast the games only in Britain, they can't make their live transmissions (including commentary) available abroad. BTW, there are also radio and internet broadcasting rights in this competition, this may make getting foreign radio transmissions of the games harder. Edited by nicozerpa on 11 June 2014 at 11:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| chokofingrz Pentaglot Senior Member England Joined 5188 days ago 241 posts - 430 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Japanese, Catalan, Luxembourgish | Message 12 of 25 12 June 2014 at 12:01am | IP Logged | |||||
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Unfortunately, even when I watch sports in my strongest languages, French and Spanish, I invariably lose interest after minutes and switch back to an English stream to watch the rest. :(
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| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4289 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 13 of 25 12 June 2014 at 12:18am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well football (or any sport in general) is more challenging than watching the news,
even if the news is "fast" for a learner, since they usually speak even faster, with slang, and obviously the most telling part is that they talk with football terminology, which helps someone to accustom oneself to the vocabulary. A C1 and even C2 can probably pass the C exams without ever having to say something simple such as, "The corner kick has failed after having being headed, but bouncing thereafter against the post, and cleared back into the midfield by the right-back". I would imagine that speaking practise with other languages could easily morph into football as well, and that conversation in general with friends from the target language might occur like this. Cricket, however, seems to be almost exclusively in English, i.e. I have never seen a cricket broadcast in Spanish, Danish, or Italian, for example, but football having encapsulated the world would probably have many broadcasts in different languages. That seems to be quite annoying about the broadcasting rights--I was never familiar with the legislation. However, a replay option could be possibly a solution, but not as fun as a live transmission. Still, I am unsure about replay availability. I suppose that FIFA might have some videos, but I am unsure if they would be full replays like for the broadcasts of each country. Edited by 1e4e6 on 12 June 2014 at 12:53am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 4098 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 14 of 25 12 June 2014 at 9:05am | IP Logged | |||||
Maybe you should remove the option? Get a site blocker and block the English streams for the duration of the game. If you really do want to keep interest in the L2 streams, that is. My father has watched entire European/World Cups in French, a language he is ridiculously bad at, with lots of interest simply because that's the language they were broadcast in and there was no streaming or satellite.
Listening to football, maybe, but I'm going to disagree with you in terms of watching it. My husband was at an A1 level of French and after a few games he had the football vocabulary down because he knew what he was watching. He obviously didn't understand every single word the commentators said, but then again it was the first time he'd heard French aside from the first two or so CDs of Michel Thomas. Watching the news are significantly more difficult, because there are far fewer visual cues and the vocabulary used is significantly larger, even if it happens to be closer to what you might learn in standard coursework. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| aokoye Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5540 days ago 235 posts - 453 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Dutch, Norwegian, Japanese | Message 15 of 25 12 June 2014 at 10:22am | IP Logged | |||||
That's an issue that you should take up with FIFA, you could also look at the information that the IOC has in regards to their licensing. This isn't something that is at all unusual. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 16 of 25 12 June 2014 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I just got back from St Petersburg where I went to avoid excessive nerves during the build-up :) I obviously disagree about the uselessness and I'm hoping to clock about 50 super challenge "films" during the world cup.
I also disagree fiercely that it's better to listen to unrelated podcasts or music instead of L2 commentary. Also, some of the matches will be played at the same time, so in this case I'll actually have to rely on listening. It all boils down to your interest and need. There are advantages of not understanding the commentary as well ;D But the 20/80 rule applies. Even in Russian it's taken me some time to learn to SMS matches to a friend. Like with any "specialized" topic, understanding the basics is much easier than actually speaking/writing. And World Cup is the time when everyone pretends to be an expert ;) I've obviously given up on legal streams ages ago, although in case anyone needs it, the legal Russian source is SportBox.ru. Get in touch with me on twitter or by PM if you need other links. Croatian is one of the least represented European languages, but normally you can find streams in the respective countries' languages for any match. Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Romanian, Polish also tend to be available. Oh and so is Russian. Let's also discuss the sites that provide information in text form? For Russian the best starting point is Yandex World Cup section, with links to other big resources. I'm jealous of Russian learners, kinda :P I'm also going to use the major newspaper sites, like A Bola, La gazzetta dello sport, Jutarnji/Večernji/24 sata, maybe Helsingin Sanomat, etc etc etc. Radioclare, let me introduce you to my favourite player at the world cup. See the video at the bottom. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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