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| Michael Lenske Newbie Joined 6564 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes | Message 17 of 27 05 December 2006 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Hello Alijsh,
I have a question regarding the Persian pronunciation. In German, we have two different ways to make an r-sound. The first possibility is to use the the tip of your tongue and - at your choise - "roll" the r-sound. This is similar to the r-sound in languages such as Spanish or Italian (I guess). The other way is similar to the French approach (I guess). The sound is produced more with the back of your tongue/in your throat. In German, it does not matter which r-sound you have chosen to say a specific word. On the other hand, in other languages such as Arabian (?) it makes a difference. No I'm curious to know what the situation is like in Persian. (I'm asking because I'm interest in Persian but I am unable to produce the r-sound with the tip of the tongue and I have so far failed to learn it. So if Persian allowed me to use my "beloved" r-sound produced with the back of my tongue/in my throat, Persian would become more attractive to more - from a potential learner's perspective.) Regards, Michael 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Alijsh Tetraglot Senior Member Iran jahanshiri.ir/ Joined 6622 days ago 149 posts - 167 votes  1 sounds Speaks: Persian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: German, Italian | Message 18 of 27 05 December 2006 at 10:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Hallo!
The first one is the way we pronounce r. Yes, thrilling as in Spanish and Italian but you can pronounce it as in English. The second one is usually shown with q e.g. Qor'an, Iraq. The matter is that in French and as you say, in German r and q can be alternative but in Persian they stand for two different phonemes. So as in Arabic, they can't be alternative. However Arabic has two different q sounds. I don't think you have any problem with this sound. If you have, you can pronounce it as g. Please listen to the first two lines of this song: http://persianintexas.org/songs/Veda.html age az man to beporsi range âsheqi che range man migam rangesh siyâhe ammâ bâz vâsam qashange Persian has 30 phonemes: 6 vowels, 1 diphthong and 23 consonants. The pronunciation is not a frustrating thing. And since Persian is spoken by people of various ethnic groups, the ears are accustomed to different pronunciations :D Don't worry. However you pronounce you'll be understood. Edited by Alijsh on 05 December 2006 at 11:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Alijsh Tetraglot Senior Member Iran jahanshiri.ir/ Joined 6622 days ago 149 posts - 167 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Persian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: German, Italian | Message 19 of 27 05 December 2006 at 11:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
In Arabic Wikipedia I saw an article about Noam Chomsky where the ch had been written as tš (tsh). I think this is the way they show ch sound. Do they ever use Persian letter for ch? Yes, in Persian all t's, z's, s's, h's, q's, and glottal stops are articulated the same however in Afghan pronunciation, the q's are articulated differently. Edited by Alijsh on 07 December 2006 at 3:51am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| The Headmaster Newbie United States Joined 6656 days ago 7 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Hindi, French | Message 20 of 27 05 January 2007 at 8:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Sorry for the thread resurrection. I have decided to start learning Persian. I know this is a stupid question: I can already pronounce the kh sound, but I am having trouble with the gh sound. How is it pronounced? And by the way, what is the best English-Persian/Persian-English dictionary?
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| Alijsh Tetraglot Senior Member Iran jahanshiri.ir/ Joined 6622 days ago 149 posts - 167 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Persian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: German, Italian | Message 21 of 27 05 January 2007 at 11:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I see that you are also learning French. gh is pronounced more or less as /r/ in French and German. You can listen to it from the song I mentioned in my previous post to this thread.
As for dictionary, the best one is Aryanpur: The combined new Persian-English and English-Persian dictionary / by Abbas Aryanpur Kashani and Manoochehr Aryanpur Kashani. Lexington , Ky. , USA : Mazda Publishers, 1986. but get the one with the green cover because it shows correct pronunciation. By the way, this thread http://home.unilang.org/main/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14353 might have some useful things for you. - Good luck Edited by Alijsh on 06 January 2007 at 12:50am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Alijsh Tetraglot Senior Member Iran jahanshiri.ir/ Joined 6622 days ago 149 posts - 167 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Persian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: German, Italian | Message 22 of 27 06 January 2007 at 4:03am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_velar_fricative is about /gh/
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative is about /kh/ 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| arsene Hexaglot Newbie Netherlands liviuandrei.com Joined 6237 days ago 17 posts - 18 votes Speaks: Modern Hebrew, Romanian*, English, Dutch, Spanish, Italian | Message 23 of 27 28 October 2007 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Check this out:
Persian: ap // Romanian: apã (water) Persian: (Man)hastam (I am) (To) hasti (you are haste (He/She is) Romanian: (Eu) am (I have) (Tu) ai (You have (El) are (He has) etc. Edited by arsene on 28 October 2007 at 6:01pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| 24karrot Diglot Groupie United States speakingboricua.blog Joined 6384 days ago 72 posts - 74 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Russian | Message 24 of 27 29 October 2007 at 1:57pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Close.
S/he is is "(h)ast". It usually becomes just an "e" (no hast) sound when speaking. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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