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| Sir Nigel Senior Member United States Joined 7107 days ago 1126 posts - 1102 votes  2 sounds | Message 17 of 69 22 August 2005 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | ||
Exactly, I heard "you ain't" used in a public discourse Sunday! In addition I just received a horrible business letter today. The company mentioned that "summer just begun" (began?) and then mentions September as being an "onslaught" for no apparent reason. I guess they like to incorrectly use "highbrow" words.
This is interesting as I don't recall hearing it. It wasn't in a movie "trying" to be Texan or something was it? Today at work I also heard someone say "brought" incorrectly and they dropped the "r". It baffled me for a second and then I realised what they were trying to say. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| epingchris Triglot Senior Member Taiwan shih-chuan.blog.ntu. Joined 7031 days ago 273 posts - 284 votes 5 sounds Studies: Taiwanese, Mandarin*, English, FrenchB2 Studies: Japanese, German, Turkish | Message 18 of 69 02 September 2005 at 7:03am | IP Logged | ||
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I think "ain't" can be used for all person! I ain't, you ain't, he ain't, she ain't, we ain't, they ain't, it ain't, this ain't......Nothing ain't grammatical no more!^^
But maybe the English phrase "It's me." is the most famous of all "theoretical" ungrammatical sentences, right? In Japanese, you have the ranuki (ra-omitting) speech. When forming "possible" verb forms in 2nd group verbs, you're supposed to take off the "ru" and then add "rareru", although a lot of people, recently, are beginning to just say "reru": taberu(eat)=>taberareru(able to eat) (O) taberu(eat)=>tabereru(able to eat) (X) Also, the "i" in "-teiru" is often dropped for pronunciation reasons: -masaka, imawa tabete(i)masu? (Are you EATING that?) -uun, tabe(ra)remasenyo! (Nope, I can't eat it!) In Chinese, we have more "mispronounced characters" than "ungrammatical sentence", as really no apparent rules can be implied: Ãg»@(punishment) should really be pronounced [cheng2 fa2] while almost everyone pronounce it as [cheng3 fa2] ¨¤¦â(character, role) should really be pronounced [jue2 se4] while almost everyone pronounce it as [jiao3 se4] ¿Æ¦â(colors fade) should really be pronounced [tuen4 se4] while almost everyone pronounce it as [tuei4 se4] [Chinese characters to be viewed with Traditional Chinese (Big5) encoding] Edited by epingchris on 02 September 2005 at 7:14am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 7106 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 19 of 69 02 September 2005 at 8:33am | IP Logged | ||
Not sure why you think "it's me" is ungrammatical theoretically or otherwise? Unless we're going to get into the it should be "it's I" argument.... Andy. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sir Nigel Senior Member United States Joined 7107 days ago 1126 posts - 1102 votes 2 sounds | Message 20 of 69 02 September 2005 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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Perhaps that is the point, theoretical. Maybe he has some people he knows who feel it's incorrect, even though it is. C'est moi, hey it's the same in French too.
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| victor Tetraglot Moderator United States Joined 7321 days ago 1098 posts - 1056 votes 6 sounds Speaks: Cantonese*, English, FrenchC1, Mandarin Studies: Spanish Personal Language Map | Message 21 of 69 02 September 2005 at 8:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well French is French. You can say "Ma mère et moi sommes allés à l'école."
"My mother and me went to school" is ungrammatical in English. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sir Nigel Senior Member United States Joined 7107 days ago 1126 posts - 1102 votes 2 sounds | Message 22 of 69 02 September 2005 at 9:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah, how is that? I'm glad you brought that up.
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| victor Tetraglot Moderator United States Joined 7321 days ago 1098 posts - 1056 votes 6 sounds Speaks: Cantonese*, English, FrenchC1, Mandarin Studies: Spanish Personal Language Map | Message 23 of 69 02 September 2005 at 9:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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I actually haven't quite understood either. Anybody?
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| Sir Nigel Senior Member United States Joined 7107 days ago 1126 posts - 1102 votes 2 sounds | Message 24 of 69 02 September 2005 at 9:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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Okay, I started another topic here because my question is on another subject.
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