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| wilghal Newbie United States Joined 6344 days ago 13 posts - 13 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 65 of 69 27 July 2007 at 9:23am | IP Logged | ||
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I know so many native speakers who say "I seen" to mean "I saw" AND "I have seen." It's really striking because this is the only verb they do this with. They don't say "I gone" or "I eaten."
It must come from the fact that you can say things like "I watched" and "I have watched" or "I danced" and "I have danced." 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| victor Tetraglot Moderator United States Joined 7318 days ago 1098 posts - 1056 votes  6 sounds Speaks: Cantonese*, English, FrenchC1, Mandarin Studies: Spanish Personal Language Map | Message 66 of 69 27 July 2007 at 2:58pm | IP Logged | ||
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Speaking of "I gone", I have heard a lot of " I have went"s on the bus. And the you're vs. your problem is getting increasingly serious.
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| justinwilliams Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6689 days ago 321 posts - 327 votes 3 sounds Speaks: French*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Italian | Message 67 of 69 29 July 2007 at 1:03am | IP Logged | ||
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Does I've got fit this category too?
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| wilghal Newbie United States Joined 6344 days ago 13 posts - 13 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 68 of 69 30 July 2007 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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It seems that "I've got" is "ungrammatical" but also something that would be said by many native speakers. I would use it, I think, when I wanted to say something emphatically. For example: "I've got to go home" is more emphatic than "I have to go home."
This thread is interesting because it draws attention to two different ideas of what "native ungrammatical" phrases actually are. Does it mean phrases that would be accepted or spoken by many native speakers but are exceptions to certain grammar rules, or does it mean phrases that are uttered by a native speaker that most other native speakers would find strange or incorrect? Someone earlier posted that a native speaker can by definition not say something ungrammatically. I disagree. I think that languages exist in agreed upon terms and that it is possible for a native speaker to step outside those terms. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| burntgorilla Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6444 days ago 202 posts - 206 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Danish | Message 69 of 69 30 July 2007 at 1:09pm | IP Logged | ||
"I done" is really common around here. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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