hooky Diglot Newbie Czech RepublicRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4544 days ago 23 posts - 24 votes Speaks: Czech*, English Studies: German, Russian
| Message 1 of 11 01 July 2012 at 10:33pm | IP Logged |
Hello, please can somebody help me with my little problem in German language ? :-/ I have a big problem with conjugation and inflection.
I raely don't know when I have to use "euer" and when "eure"
example: Dort liegt der Mantel eurer Mutter
If I understand it well, I use eure when next noun is with DIE and euer when next noun is with DER or DAS ? :)
Have somebody some tips how to learn this part of German grammar ? I realy hate this part of grammar :{
Thanks you
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Cortical Tetraglot Newbie CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4634 days ago 30 posts - 52 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, SpanishB1 Studies: Russian, Mandarin
| Message 2 of 11 01 July 2012 at 11:24pm | IP Logged |
euer with masculine (der) and neuter (das)
eure with feminine (die)
as you said
so they inflect with the gender (and the number) of the noun they precede.
If you can get the articles right, those pronouns shouldn't take long to follow
in your example "Dort lieght der Mantel eurer Mutter" 'eurer' is in the genitive case if I'm not mistaken
I had the same problem with french, and I'm having it now with russian.
My remedy in french was exposure and time, and I expect the same to happen with my russian pronouns, that is, that they just fix themselves.
Just get a lot of input and on top of that more input, and read about the rules every once in a while if you feel like it.
If you need some examples, I'll just make some phrases up:
Eure Pizza ist fertig, und euer Bier steht auf eurem Tisch, damit ihr euren Hunger und Durst stillen könnt.
Ich habe eure Autos in eure Garagen gestellt, nachdem ihr sie auf eurer Straße vor euren Häusern geparkt habt.
Euer Garten ist sehr schön, eure Blumen riechen gut, und eure Villa sieht auch gut aus. Das muss wohl an eurer harten Arbeit liegen.
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hooky Diglot Newbie Czech RepublicRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4544 days ago 23 posts - 24 votes Speaks: Czech*, English Studies: German, Russian
| Message 3 of 11 02 July 2012 at 10:55am | IP Logged |
thank you ;) also thank for your phrases :)
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Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian
| Message 4 of 11 02 July 2012 at 1:48pm | IP Logged |
Cortical has already explained everything, but I might want to add that pronouns are declined and not conjugated... You can only conjugate verbs. Nouns, adjectives, and pronouns are to be declined.
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hooky Diglot Newbie Czech RepublicRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4544 days ago 23 posts - 24 votes Speaks: Czech*, English Studies: German, Russian
| Message 5 of 11 03 July 2012 at 5:31pm | IP Logged |
Josquin, thx too ;)
I have one more question but not about conjugation or declining :) But I think it is unnecessary to create a new Topic :-|
I have not found the answer on google :-|
what is difference between sicher and bestimmt. can I use both in the same time please ? :)
and anoher two words : an and auf example : an der Wand | auf der Wand
is it same ? :]
I have started to think that my German textbook isn't good :/
thx for some answer :]
Edited by hooky on 03 July 2012 at 5:32pm
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geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4689 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian
| Message 6 of 11 03 July 2012 at 7:06pm | IP Logged |
For completeness, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_pronouns
The possessive pronouns such as euer/eur- inflect the same way as ein- words.
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outcast Bilingual Heptaglot Senior Member China Joined 4950 days ago 869 posts - 1364 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English*, German, Italian, French, Portuguese, Mandarin Studies: Korean
| Message 7 of 11 03 July 2012 at 7:19pm | IP Logged |
My recommendation to language learners is to first learn the rule that most broadly applies, and once you are comfortable with that, dig into the smaller details and exceptions. :)
To answer your questions:
"an/auf" when assigning specific position in space of an object are not interchangeable. "An" is for all vertical positions, "auf" for all horizontal ones. Thus, you would say a cat is 'auf' the sofa, but a fly is 'an' the wall:
Die Katze schläft auf dem Sofa.
Die Fliege liegt an der Wand.
I'm not a native speaker so I leave it to them to explain the nuances of very close synonyms. From what I have gathered, "bestimmt" is used more frequently, and to me it accords slightly more vehemency to the statement made, while "sicher" is not as emphatic, but that is just my observations which could be totally off.
A point about "euer"
Remember this rule: all adjectives (which "euer" is), that end in "-er/-el" drop this "e" when they need to take gender or case endings. Thus:
Es ist dunkel
but
Eine dunkle Nacht (here you need a feminine "-e" ending, thus you drop the original "e" from the base word)
Das ist zu teuer
but
Ein teures Auto (here you need the neutral "-es" ending)
"euer" behaves the same way, except that it is a possessive adjective so it takes endings not like pure adjectives but like "ein" articles. Thus as you may know "ein" is used for masculine and neuter nominative nouns, and also for neuter accusative nouns. If "euer" is in those situations instead of "ein", "euer" is the form you use:
Euer Wagen springt nicht an.
Ich gebe euer Buch zurück.
When "euer" needs endings, then you drop the "-e" from the base word:
Eure Wagen (plural) springen nicht an.
Ich gebe eurem Professor das Buch zurück.
*The bold endings are the gender/case endings which force the "e" from adjectives ending in their BASE form with "-el/-er" to drop that letter e.
Edited by outcast on 03 July 2012 at 7:20pm
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LebensForm Senior Member Austria Joined 5051 days ago 212 posts - 264 votes Studies: German
| Message 8 of 11 03 July 2012 at 7:45pm | IP Logged |
Like previously explained, auf is for horizontal surfaces
like a table, sofa etc while an is used for vertical ones.
Depending on if it is a question of movement or location
you would use accusitive or dative respectively.
To elaborate on that bestimmt/sicher issue, what about sicherlich?
I am also a bit curious on that question.
Edited by LebensForm on 03 July 2012 at 7:51pm
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