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| KimG Diglot Groupie Norway Joined 4978 days ago 88 posts - 104 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Portuguese, Swahili | Message 9 of 13 20 July 2012 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've been baffled by a similiar phenomenom in Portuguese, I think personally I'd never use the English sentence without a set form.
I saw what happened I did not see anything of what have happened. Wikitionary got an article on the usages of OF in English, 4. usage in the wiki got "subjective genitive", is this the form who's also present in Spanish, and other languages? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4669 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 10 of 13 20 July 2012 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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In Portuguese, I think it's called partitive genitive.
Não foi nada bom. here NADA BOM = not at all; It wasn't good at all. Não comprei nada de bom. here NADA DE BOM = nothing good. I didn't buy anything good. O que você tem feito de bom? = How (have) you been? in Croatian we use genitive too in this question: što ima novoga? O que tem de novo? // in Croatian: što ima novoga? you ask this question when you enter the store and ask the shopkeeper about new items they got ;) [Brazilian Portuguese and Croatian in this case are direct/literal translation which works perfect] (''de novo'' here is a genitive of novo, and should not be confused with the expression ''de novo'' again, anew [nanovo, ponovo in Croatian]). Another famous example of the partitive genitive: Desta água não beberei. ;) Edited by Medulin on 20 July 2012 at 1:23pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 13 20 July 2012 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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It's called the same in Russian :) Finnish has a separate partitive case:)
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| Javi Senior Member Spain Joined 5982 days ago 419 posts - 548 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 12 of 13 22 July 2012 at 1:55am | IP Logged | ||
algo de lo que sucedió un poco de lo que sucedió bastante de lo que sucedió nada de lo que sucedió todo lo que sucedió I can't see the affirmative vs. negative dichotomy, it's rather about the part and the whole, where the nothingness goes with the part. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| outcast Bilingual Heptaglot Senior Member China Joined 4950 days ago 869 posts - 1364 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English*, German, Italian, French, Portuguese, Mandarin Studies: Korean | Message 13 of 13 26 July 2012 at 8:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Interesting that in Serbian, Russian, and Finnish the genitive or partitives are used in negatives, where Romance uses the partitive "de".
Interesting what Medulin brings up about portuguese: in Spanish the use of "de" seems optional to me in such a situation "No compre nada (de) bueno", in fact I use no preposition there. Is the preposition obligatory in portuguese in speech as well as prescriptive grammar? Most Portuguese textbooks at least before the advanced levels don't deal with this issue. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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