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Continuous verb as adjectives (Spanish) | ||
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| cmmah Diglot Groupie Ireland Joined 4535 days ago 52 posts - 110 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Irish | Message 1 of 19 18 July 2012 at 6:52pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Does anyone know the name of adjectives that are made up of the continuous form of a verb, for example:
The crying child The blithering idiot (Scooby-Doo reference): The meddling kids Also, is there an equivalent in Spanish? If so, is it done using the '+ando/iendo' way, or is it conjugated differently? Thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4848 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 2 of 19 18 July 2012 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The name is 'present participle' and they exist in every IE language I know. It's a verb form by the way and not an adjective. By my limited knowledge of Spanish, your assumption to use '-ando/-iendo' should be right. Any learner of Spanish please correct me, if I'm wrong.
EDIT: Okay, after doing some research, I've found out that, in Spanish, the actual present participle isn't productive any longer. Anyway, you can use the 'gerundio' (the one with the -ando/-iendo ending) in many situations that would require the present participle in other languages. Also, have a look at this site. I would appreciate it though if a native speaker or someone with a good working knowledge of Spanish could throw in his two cents here. Edited by Josquin on 18 July 2012 at 8:52pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5836 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 3 of 19 18 July 2012 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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You can use the gerunds hirviendo and ardiendo as adjectives. They remain invariable and must follow the noun:
agua hirviendo boiling water un carbón ardiendo a burning coal. Otherwise you need to use a present participle if it exists or que + verb 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Kyle Corrie Senior Member United States Joined 4833 days ago 175 posts - 464 votes | Message 4 of 19 18 July 2012 at 11:20pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Das lügende Kind... So you're saying that the adjective I just declined isn't actually an adjective? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4848 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 5 of 19 19 July 2012 at 12:00am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't want to nit-pick, but technically a participle is a verb form (verbum infinitum). It can be used attributively, just as an adjective (including getting declined), but that does not mean it is an adjective. You can check this in any grammar book you like. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| cmmah Diglot Groupie Ireland Joined 4535 days ago 52 posts - 110 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Irish | Message 6 of 19 19 July 2012 at 12:04am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Which one of these (if either) is correct/sounds more natural. La mujer llevó el niño llorando. or La mujer llevó el niño que llora(r?). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Kyle Corrie Senior Member United States Joined 4833 days ago 175 posts - 464 votes | Message 7 of 19 19 July 2012 at 12:21am | IP Logged | ||||||||
They're called 'present participle adjectives' because they're adjectives. They are formed from verbs. They are not a form of verbs. Perhaps I am arguing from a stance of ignorance. Can you actually provide a credible resource to refute this? Being used as an adjective makes it an adjective I would think. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4848 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 8 of 19 19 July 2012 at 1:09am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I've never heard the expression 'present participle adjectives', maybe that's an English thing. But a participle is by any means a verb form! There's even a word for it: infinite verb (verbum infinitum) as opposed to the conjugated finite verb forms (verbum finitum). The infinite verb forms include infinitives, participles, gerunds, and supine forms.
I could offer my DUDEN grammar of German as an example, as well as my two reference grammars of Latin. So, I'm speaking from these languages' point of view. I have never really given it thought, but maybe in English a participle can really be used as an adjective. Anyway, that's not the case in German, for example! You gave the example "das lügende Kind", using the participle attributively. However, you cannot use the participle predicatively: *das Kind ist lügend. So, the participle cannot be used exactly as an adjective, for all adjectives can be used both attributively and predicatively: "Das grüne Haus/Das Haus ist grün". Moreover, there are languages like Russian that distinguish between adjectival and adverbial participles. To conclude with Wikipedia:
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