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| Cristianoo Triglot Senior Member Brazil https://projetopoligRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4121 days ago 175 posts - 289 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, FrenchB2, English Studies: Russian | Message 1 of 10 22 September 2013 at 5:56am | IP Logged | ||
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Hello, I'm learning russian and, if possible, I would like to ask you guys some
questions... what is the difference between: ест, поест and съесть ? ест - I got from dictionary/textbook, to eat. OK поест - Pimsleur version of to eat. Didn't get why I should put a 'по' at the beginning съесть - google translator I'm confused 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4715 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 2 of 10 22 September 2013 at 6:46am | IP Logged | ||
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Na verdade seria есть е поесть.
Em russo existe algo chamado "Aspecto verbal", que não existe em português. Simplificando, é como se cada verbo em português tivesse 2 verbos correspondentes em russo (pode ser 1 em alguns casos, e 3/4 em outros, mas no geral são 2). Por exemplo, o verbo "fazer" em português, em russo corresponde tanto a "делать" quanto a "сделать", sendo o primeiro no aspecto imperfectivo e o segundo no aspecto perfectivo. Como o russo só tem 3 tempos verbais (passado, presente e futuro) ao invés de nós que temos vários, funciona mais ou menos assim: Presente - Imperfectivo tem, Perfectivo não tem Passado - Ambos tem, o Imperfectivo corresponde geralmente (não sempre) ao nosso pretérito imperfeito (eu fazia - я делал), e o Perfectivo ao nosso pretérito perfeito (eu fiz - я сделал). Futuro - Ambos tem, o Imperfectivo geralmente é usado pra ações que você fará sempre no futuro, "Quando eu começar a trabalhar, todo dia eu entrarei às 9h", e o Perfectivo são ações mais pontuais (é mais comum). Agora, respondendo a sua pergunta original, есть é um desses verbos que tem mais de uma forma no perfectivo, cada um com um significado, e "съесть" é o "par" normal dele, e significa "comer tudo" dessa coisa. "Поесть", por causa desse "по", significa "comer um pouco", ou "ter algo pra comer". Não sempre o "по" tem esse significado de "um pouco" no perfectivo, mas às vezes sim. Dessa forma, um exemplo no passado: - Когда я был ребёнком, я всегда ел пиццу. (- Quando eu era criança, eu sempre comia pizza.) - Вчера я съел пиццу. (- Ontem eu comi pizza. (especificando que foi a pizza inteira)) - Ты уже поел? - Да. (- Você já comeu? (sem especificar a quantidade) - Sim) No começo é bem confuso mesmo, especialmente aqueles que tem mais de um par. Até hoje eu me confundo, mas você vai pegando o jeito! 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Cristianoo Triglot Senior Member Brazil https://projetopoligRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4121 days ago 175 posts - 289 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, FrenchB2, English Studies: Russian | Message 3 of 10 22 September 2013 at 7:07am | IP Logged | ||
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Mais completo, impossível
спасибо! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 4 of 10 22 September 2013 at 12:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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ест and поест are third person sing., while поесть is an infinitive.
fabriciocarraro, I understood almost all your post without looking anywhere, despite the fact that I don't know Portugese. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4844 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 5 of 10 22 September 2013 at 1:22pm | IP Logged | ||
Me, too! :) Cristianoo, don't let yourself get confused! You will soon understand the differences between есть, съесть, and поесть better when you learn about verbal aspects in Russian verbs. I think fabriciocarraro explained the differences very well. Russian verbs can be very tricky (especially verbs of motion), but you will get the hang of them sooner or later. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4715 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 6 of 10 22 September 2013 at 6:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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Awesome, Марк and Josquin! Might this be a motivation booster for you both to start learning it from the scratch? =)
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| danielk Diglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5978 days ago 7 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English*, Russian | Message 7 of 10 01 November 2013 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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Simple question - could somebody explain what this means? I can't understand the idiom "zagruzitsya" in this case.
Thanks! "но немного загрузишься после фильма" 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4234 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 8 of 10 01 November 2013 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think that this is about reaction to a movie, that it would be hard one for emotions, that it would impact you.
I'm not used to speak in that way, I would've replace загрузишься and rebuild the sentence in something like this: но тебе будет о чем подумать после фильма (but you'll have something to think about after the movie). You can replace it with загрустишь (you'll be sad) as well, but it would be negative while загрузишься is more neutral. Edited by Via Diva on 01 November 2013 at 3:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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