Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 9 of 20 28 September 2013 at 12:27pm | IP Logged |
tarvos wrote:
People from the Caucasus always have an accent. |
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You are wrong. Native Russian speakers do not have any special accent other than Southern
Russian accent (there might be Ukrainian influence as well), non-native speakers of
Russian may have foreign accents, but how is it connected with the topic of the thread?
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Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4668 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali
| Message 10 of 20 28 September 2013 at 4:40pm | IP Logged |
In most of Europe (aside from Norway, Switzerland, Flanders, parts of Italy, Southern Germany) dialects died out, and the only thing they left behind is regional accent/pronunciation.
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tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 11 of 20 28 September 2013 at 5:24pm | IP Logged |
Марк wrote:
tarvos wrote:
People from the Caucasus always have an accent. |
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You are wrong. Native Russian speakers do not have any special accent other than
Southern
Russian accent (there might be Ukrainian influence as well), non-native speakers of
Russian may have foreign accents, but how is it connected with the topic of the thread?
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It's the first one I was getting at, the southern Russian one. Not a Georgian one...
the man I spoke with was from Grozny. And that *is* an accent. (Maybe not a dialect
though).
And in the Netherlands dialects are also alive Medulin. I know plenty of people from
Groningen, Twente, Brabant, Zeeland or Limburg I don't stand a snowball's chance in
hell of understanding.
Edited by tarvos on 28 September 2013 at 5:30pm
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 12 of 20 28 September 2013 at 6:36pm | IP Logged |
tarvos wrote:
It's the first one I was getting at, the southern Russian one. Not a Georgian one...
the man I spoke with was from Grozny. |
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Was he a native Russian speaker or a native Chechen speaker or someone else? Many
languages are spoken in the Nothern Caucasis, and speakers of those languages have
different profficiency in Russian and they have various accents when they speak Russian.
And they make mistakes due to the influence of their mothertongue.
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tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 13 of 20 28 September 2013 at 7:12pm | IP Logged |
No, I think he was definitely a native Russian speaker. But this is 1,5 years ago or so,
and my Russian was way worse at the time. However it was a Russian store with all sorts
of items from the former CIS countries, a Ukrainian works there too. But I think he was
native. I remember hearing the distinctive southern pronunciation of г and asked if he
was maybe Ukrainian, he said no I'm southern Russian, that guy over there is Ukrainian.
Edited by tarvos on 28 September 2013 at 7:15pm
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Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5556 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona
| Message 14 of 20 28 September 2013 at 10:39pm | IP Logged |
Here's a table detailing some of the subtle differences between Northern and Southern Russian, and how this relates to Standard Russian:
(Source: Russian Dialects: Isoglosses, Wikipedia)
Edited by Teango on 28 September 2013 at 10:42pm
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Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4668 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali
| Message 15 of 20 29 September 2013 at 10:56am | IP Logged |
The NorthRussian dialect/accent is closer to SerboCroatian than the standard Russian is.
Edited by Medulin on 29 September 2013 at 10:57am
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taqseem Newbie Switzerland Joined 5694 days ago 34 posts - 47 votes Studies: English
| Message 16 of 20 29 September 2013 at 12:27pm | IP Logged |
Марк wrote:
tarvos wrote:
People from the Caucasus always have an accent. |
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You are wrong. Native Russian speakers do not have any special accent other than Southern
Russian accent (there might be Ukrainian influence as well), non-native speakers of
Russian may have foreign accents, but how is it connected with the topic of the thread? |
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Марк, is it a scientific fact or merely your observation? i guess it is you who is wrong here. (sorry for being blunt but
the tone of your posts irks me at times). native russians born and raised for instance in Tbilisi speak with a georgian
sort of accent. believe me, i lived there. the same goes for the russian people from Grozny: they also speak with an
accent. so in fact Tarvos might have met one of them on his Russia's journey.
Edited by taqseem on 29 September 2013 at 12:29pm
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