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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5060 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 17 of 20 29 September 2013 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | ||
Well, I was in Pyatigorsk and did not notice any accent but several southern features, which some people had and some - didn't have. So, that's not true that they always have an accent. In Tbilisi Russians are surrounded by Georgian-speaking population, while Grozny used to be a Russian-speaking city. And I think North Caucasian languages are too weak to influence Russian of native Russian speakers. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4711 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 18 of 20 29 September 2013 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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I met the man from Grozny here in the Netherlands. I didn't go down south to the Caucasus
when I was in Russia, only to Moscow, Siberia and the Far East. I did meet another native Russian speaker from Chechnya in the Netherlands, years ago, but he spoke Dutch. And Mark, I simply meant the southern Russian as an accent (divergent from standard Moscow Russian). Edited by tarvos on 29 September 2013 at 1:20pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| markdhemming Triglot Newbie Russian Federation Joined 4721 days ago 16 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English*, Russian, French Studies: Georgian, Spanish | Message 19 of 20 04 November 2013 at 9:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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While we're here, I have another question - I've heard a couple of native speakers who
pronounce 'r' like a French person would - is this related to accent or just an inability to roll their 'r's? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| vonPeterhof Tetraglot Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4776 days ago 715 posts - 1527 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Japanese, German Studies: Kazakh, Korean, Norwegian, Turkish | Message 20 of 20 05 November 2013 at 5:42am | IP Logged | ||
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As far as speech therapists are concerned it's a speech defect. I don't remember if I pronounced the French r when I was in kindergarten in Saint Petersburg, but I definitely had trouble rolling it. I was made to do lots of exercises, to no avail, and the speech therapist even kept saying "forget it, this boy is hopeless". However shortly after moving to Almaty, Kazakhstan at the age of six I started to roll my R's just as well as most kids my age. Interestingly enough, quite a few of my relatives who stayed in SPb kept pronouncing their R's the throaty French way well into their teens, and my younger brothers started to develop that pronunciation after we moved back, so for a while I suspected that this might actually be a regional thing, but I haven't heard of any studies that would validate this conclusion.
Also, the guttural R is a feature traditionally associated with a Yiddish accent in Russian, but there are hardly any native speakers of Yiddish left in the former USSR, so this feature is unlikely to manifest itself in the speech of younger Russian-speaking Jews unless they grow up in Israel. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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