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EnglishEagle
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 Message 9 of 29
01 June 2014 at 6:39pm | IP Logged 
@calduche - I believe you need at low C1 which is equal to TestDaF-Level 4 (TDN 4). Thanks for the information by
the way.

@Gemuse - I was looking at other parts of Germany such as in Munich. I just need to conduct more research :-)
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drygramul
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 Message 10 of 29
01 June 2014 at 8:35pm | IP Logged 
It depends on the university and on the subject.

You need however to provide a certification. Most scientific subjects require a B2 or C1 level. Reaching both levels in 2 years is absolutely feasible.

There are 3 tests you can take: TestDaF and TELC are standardised. DSH it's not. DSH and TestDaf are the most popular.

There are some differences between the two tests. I can just tell you that TestDaf is standardised, so you can prepare for it and it will be the same everywhere in Germany, and that's handy if you want to prepare for yourself in England without knowing where you will take the test in advance. DSH depends from the university that supplies it, and it can be very easy or very hard. However in TestDaf for the oral production you speak with a computer and you're being recorded, something I find stressful, while in DSH you speak with an examiner.
Moreover results from TestDaf require 6 weeks, while DSH just a couple of weeks at most.
Another great thing of the DSH is that you can fail one of the parts and they count the whole score. With testdaf you must pass all four parts.

DSH has 3 levels, depending on score:
57% is B2
67% is C1
82% is C2
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EnglishEagle
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 Message 11 of 29
01 June 2014 at 9:26pm | IP Logged 
drygramul wrote:
It depends on the university and on the subject.

You need however to provide a certification. Most scientific subjects require a B2 or C1 level. Reaching both levels in
2 years is absolutely feasible.

There are 3 tests you can take: TestDaF and TELC are standardised. DSH it's not. DSH and TestDaf are the most
popular.

There are some differences between the two tests. I can just tell you that TestDaf is standardised, so you can prepare
for it and it will be the same everywhere in Germany, and that's handy if you want to prepare for yourself in England
without knowing where you will take the test in advance. DSH depends from the university that supplies it, and it
can be very easy or very hard. However in TestDaf for the oral production you speak with a computer and you're
being recorded, something I find stressful, while in DSH you speak with an examiner.
Moreover results from TestDaf require 6 weeks, while DSH just a couple of weeks at most.
Another great thing of the DSH is that you can fail one of the parts and they count the whole score. With testdaf you
must pass all four parts.

DSH has 3 levels, depending on score:
57% is B2
67% is C1
82% is C2


Woah thanks, your post is so informative! Do I have to take the CEFR exam AND the TestDaF exam? Or would it just
be suffice in having the C1 exam certificate? However, I'm presuming that it would be imperative to have either the
TestDaF, DSH or TELC irrespective of whether you have got a C1 certificate or not.
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drygramul
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 Message 12 of 29
01 June 2014 at 10:15pm | IP Logged 
I'm sorry but I don't really understand the CEFR question.

TestDaf, Telc and DSH are all recognized tests that evaluate your CEFR level for the German language. You just need to take one -anyone - according to your level and your goal, meaning your university requirements. The only thing I suggest it's to verify if your university doesn't accept one of those (because TELC is less popular for some reason). Those are the exams that certify your CEFR level.

The difference is mostly in the institute providing them, in the format of the test and the price (although it's usually less expensive than the IELTS that I took).
Hope I could help.

Edited by drygramul on 01 June 2014 at 10:16pm

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hobom
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 Message 13 of 29
01 June 2014 at 11:33pm | IP Logged 
Regarding cost of living in Berlin:

Compared to the UK Berlin is definetely not an expensive city to live in, even compared to other German cities like Hamburg or Munich.
If you can get a room in a student's dormitory, which is around 150 Euro per month, your living expenses might be anything from 400 to 1000. It all depends on what life style you want to pursue.

However, I can only recommend studying here. Berlin not only has great universities but also an international vibe to it. Quite ironically, studying here in Germany will be most definitely cheaper than back in the UK. I can only encourage you to learn enough to pass the exam.

Edited by hobom on 01 June 2014 at 11:37pm

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EnglishEagle
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 Message 14 of 29
02 June 2014 at 7:50pm | IP Logged 
hobom wrote:
Regarding cost of living in Berlin:

Compared to the UK Berlin is definetely not an expensive city to live in, even compared to other German cities like
Hamburg or Munich.
If you can get a room in a student's dormitory, which is around 150 Euro per month, your living expenses might be
anything from 400 to 1000. It all depends on what life style you want to pursue.

However, I can only recommend studying here. Berlin not only has great universities but also an international vibe to
it. Quite ironically, studying here in Germany will be most definitely cheaper than back in the UK. I can only
encourage you to learn enough to pass the exam.


Thanks, I am thinking it will probably be around 700 euros a month. Looking forward to actually starting to properly
learn German. I'm excited about the whole learning process and can't wait until my exams finish next week so I can
start to get cracking on with my German. I'm tempted to also learn Spanish/Russian/Japanese a long side it, but I
know it will distract me from my 'language mission'.
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beano
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 Message 15 of 29
02 June 2014 at 9:50pm | IP Logged 
If possible, get yourself along to your local German meet-up group. It might not gain you any academic
certificates but it would give you vital exposure to the spoken language.
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Sterogyl
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 Message 16 of 29
03 June 2014 at 6:37am | IP Logged 
I know foreign students who passed the entrance German test after only 3 months of language classes in Germany and with no prior knowledge of the language.

If you continue learning German you will pass.


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