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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 25 of 33 03 November 2013 at 10:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
Probably, but I was thinking of Belgium, I don't know about the US. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| deniz2 Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5152 days ago 53 posts - 62 votes | Message 26 of 33 04 November 2013 at 2:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I saw your posts when searching the archives, and my lord you are infuriating and worth correcting. I would not
take much advice from you. Even correct advice is unnerving taken from the the likes of someone such as you.[/QUOTE] You probably mean my posts about English. If there is anything like ‘the superiority of culture’ English has got it as it is the easiest language by far. Its easiness is an advantage as most people learn it so quickly. If your native language is English you can only be proud of the superiority of your culture. But if English was not the most useful and international I would never learn it as there is absolutely no grammar in it. One only realizes how it is easy when he studies another language. Someone talked about Slovenian. Possibly all the romance languages and even German are easy but far harder than English. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| deniz2 Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5152 days ago 53 posts - 62 votes | Message 27 of 33 04 November 2013 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Chinese dialects, Thai, Vietnamese, Burmese, Indonesian, and Khmer all have NO tenses, NO participles, NO
gerunds, NO conjugation, NO articles, NO cases, NO inflection, NO subjunctive, plurals are made by saying a word twice or there are NO plurals as in Mandarin, NO distinction between adjectives and adverbs, Burmese doesn't even have adjectives! NO declensions or inflection of adjectives for anything! NO gender even in pronouns unless honorifics. In Chinese and Thai numbers are said as written so 255 is said as literally two hundred five ten five, not two hundred fifty-five. Don't believe me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_grammar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_grammar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_grammar What would you have to say of these Asian races and their tongues? Could you belittle them as well?[/QUOTE] Your question is nonsense. You should learn all the grammar before comparing. There might be other difficulties which the western languages do not have. This website informs that Chinese grammar is as easy as English (not easier). On the other hand it says the Thai grammar is difficult. It seems there must be other difficulties. I would trust this website more than the childish, ridiculous comments in the forums. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Papashaw Newbie Australia Joined 4103 days ago 28 posts - 32 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin | Message 28 of 33 04 November 2013 at 5:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The website is based on a select view, and read the article on Thai grammar for
yourself. These other difficulties would be noted, and I do know how the grammar in these Asian languages tend to work, I also know about Thai grammar. You never change a word at all in those languages. They are free of any other word forms. Despite how unrelated languages are, they have areas that can be compared. And why aren't you belittling Chinese as having no grammar as well? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_language http://www.speakingthai.com/principles/th%20grammar.htm http://bahasakita.com/about/grammar/ And you're saying English has no grammar? So this is a perfectly valid sentence: No too have is grammar the the English with by no? I don't think English is a hard language, it is one of the more smoothed over ones due to worldwide spread. If something like Lithuanian were chosen as the world language, in time the irregularities would disappear, tenses simplified, cases made more regular and one or two may fall out of use, and things evened out. Compare Mandarin to Cantonese for an example as well. Edited by Papashaw on 04 November 2013 at 6:31pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 29 of 33 04 November 2013 at 6:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
Nonsensical comment. The only thing that is true is that English is more ubiquitous. Cases do not denote grammatical complexity. English word order, idiomatic usage, and skewed pronunciation make it a terrifying study object for some. For my part, this is a language I thankfully got for free. I have never had to internalise rules to describe how you speak English. But the grammar that I have seen, the idiomatic usage of continuous tenses, the sentence structure... it is pretty hard. Most sensible grammar in my opinion is still Hebrew. Edited by tarvos on 04 November 2013 at 6:16pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Papashaw Newbie Australia Joined 4103 days ago 28 posts - 32 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin | Message 30 of 33 05 November 2013 at 7:13am | IP Logged | |||||
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Focus on the other guy, he is the immediate threat.
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| deniz2 Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5152 days ago 53 posts - 62 votes | Message 31 of 33 05 November 2013 at 9:28am | IP Logged | |||||
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And you're saying English has no grammar?
[/QUOTE] To be honest I have got bored of your stupid questions and have spent so much time for you. No, I do not need to read the Thai grammar which you sent the link. The owner of this web site (whoever he is) claims that the Thai grammar has complex rules. I would trust him more as I have witnessed what he also says for the romance languages and German are true. You cannot compare the Thai grammar with the others unless you learn it completely. There are also no gerunds and no irregular verbs in Turkish and there are only 2 plurals forms which can easily be guessed from the vowels which means you do not need to memorize anything at all. But the main difficulty in Turkish is that the suffixes are added to the verbs continuously so that the sentence cannot be separated to pieces to analyze. I know that you do not understand what I say because this situation does not exist in the western languages. There is a sentence below and you can easily change it to passive in all the western languages but I bet more than 90 percent of the Turkish people would fail to do so in Turkish. I know that there are many Turkish people living in Australia. You can find some Turkish people to test it. Write the sentence in Turkish somewhere and ask them. After they fail you can show them the correct sentence and they will accept it. The Thai grammar or the Chinese one does not need to be easier than English. Unless you study all the grammar you cannot be sure of anything. And, yes English has no grammar in it. Though I do not know any of the Southeast Asian languages I cannot imagine any of them to be easier. Every grammar has some interesting rules while English has none! There is absolutely nothing interesting in English. Are you from those whom we could not see? = Göremediklerimizden misiniz? Are you from those who could not be seen? = Görülemeyenlerden misiniz? http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/e/languages/thai.html The use of noun classifiers for counting certain objects, (dishes, animals, etc.) which is found in several Asian languages, and complex rules governing politeness forms and how to tell time are also difficult for the beginner. Thai has five tones and has complex rules governing which sounds use which tones , 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Papashaw Newbie Australia Joined 4103 days ago 28 posts - 32 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin | Message 32 of 33 05 November 2013 at 2:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Dear God I've given up, I'm going to let the rest deal with you.
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