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maxb
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 Message 17 of 21
10 August 2007 at 1:54am | IP Logged 
nhk9 wrote:

Sorry for reviving the old thread, but recently I have just started picking up Swedish again (after stopping for half a year). I am just wondering if a Swedish learner is not able to pronounce words like "anden" in the way that it should be pronounced in a given context, would a native speaker somehow still manage to understand what is being said? More extremely speaking, if a person speaks in a monotone, would that monotone Swedish be understandable?


It is my belief that most accents are actually understandable. It is all a matter of how much effort the listener has to make to understand. However given that you speak both cantonese and mandarin I don't think pitch accent in swedish will give you any problems whatsoever. The two pitch accents in swedish are similar to the 2-4 and 4-4 tone patterns in mandarin. So these two words could be written like this with mandarin tone marks: an4den4, an2den4.

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 Message 18 of 21
10 August 2007 at 2:54am | IP Logged 
maxb wrote:
nhk9 wrote:

Sorry for reviving the old thread, but recently I have just started picking up Swedish again (after stopping for half a year). I am just wondering if a Swedish learner is not able to pronounce words like "anden" in the way that it should be pronounced in a given context, would a native speaker somehow still manage to understand what is being said? More extremely speaking, if a person speaks in a monotone, would that monotone Swedish be understandable?


It is my belief that most accents are actually understandable. It is all a matter of how much effort the listener has to make to understand. However given that you speak both cantonese and mandarin I don't think pitch accent in swedish will give you any problems whatsoever. The two pitch accents in swedish are similar to the 2-4 and 4-4 tone patterns in mandarin. So these two words could be written like this with mandarin tone marks: an4den4, an2den4.


Thanks for sharing your tips about the Swedish's pitch accent. I have never thought of how Swedish can be in this way similar to Mandarin. Would a 4-2 tone pattern be also possible (perhaps in some dialect)?




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 Message 19 of 21
10 August 2007 at 11:27am | IP Logged 
I don't think so. Even if all Swedish dialects have their own way of pronouncing the pitch accents (for instance, some Cantonese tone combinations match my accent perfectly), I'd say that 4-2 is pretty rare, if not non-existent.
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17 August 2007 at 4:26am | IP Logged 
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
I don't think so. Even if all Swedish dialects have their own way of pronouncing the pitch accents (for instance, some Cantonese tone combinations match my accent perfectly), I'd say that 4-2 is pretty rare, if not non-existent.


Thank you jeff for the clarification. As far as I know there are quite a few dialects in Sweden. But hopefully the Swedish that I am/was learning (the one used in and around stockholm) will not have these irregularities.
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 Message 21 of 21
08 September 2007 at 8:22am | IP Logged 
Another thing to keep in mind is that my own Finland-Swedish dialect is totally void of any pitch-accent niceties, I think this likely goes for some of the dialects in Sweden too, and it never leads to any confusion about meaning.


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