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| Euphorion Hexaglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5338 days ago 106 posts - 147 votes  Speaks: Slovak*, Czech, EnglishC2, GermanC1, SpanishC2, French | Message 25 of 39 27 May 2010 at 8:57am | IP Logged | |||||
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Ok so I see that most of you agree that Heisig is a little bit better then Hoenig, right? Is it the book "Remembering Traditional Hanzi"?
And more importantly, dont you miss the pronunciation info in Heisigs book? Edited by Euphorion on 27 May 2010 at 9:13am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| maaku Senior Member United States Joined 5572 days ago 359 posts - 562 votes Speaks: English* | Message 26 of 39 27 May 2010 at 10:05am | IP Logged | |||||
No, because it makes logical sense to separate the two, and learning the writing and meaning separately from pronunciation and use in words results in an overall more efficient learning process. I've never read Hoenig. But Remembering the Kanji/Hanzi is a method, not any particular set of stories, so it wouldn't make much a difference which you use. Edited by maaku on 27 May 2010 at 10:09am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| zerothinking Senior Member Australia Joined 6370 days ago 528 posts - 772 votes Speaks: English* | Message 27 of 39 27 May 2010 at 11:26am | IP Logged | |||||
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People simply don't understand the power of Heisig's method of learning Chinese
characters. It is simply the best way for most people. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| lichtrausch Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5958 days ago 525 posts - 1072 votes Speaks: English*, German, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 28 of 39 27 May 2010 at 2:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
As if its an established fact. People have had very mixed results with Heisig and there isn't anything resembling a consensus on the efficacy of his method. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5667 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 29 of 39 27 May 2010 at 3:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
The problem I have is that I could already speak some Mandarin and could read and write a few things in pinyin, but mostly ignored the script for a while. When I came to Heisig I found myself thinging, "OK, so is this the character for word XXX which I already know?" Maybe if I started with script first, and was willing to delay learning to speak I wouldn't care (and maybe there would even be some advantage in hiding the pronunciation) but otherwise I can't understand the value at all. This is why I spend most of my time with Hoenig and only dip into Heisig from time to time. Plus, of course, Hoenig covers almost twice as many characters as Heisig (until Heisig volume 2 comes out that is). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Euphorion Hexaglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5338 days ago 106 posts - 147 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Czech, EnglishC2, GermanC1, SpanishC2, French | Message 30 of 39 27 May 2010 at 4:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
Im sorry but I still dont understand. Why would you separate the two? Why would I need to RECOGNISE thousands of characters without being able to READ any of them? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 newyorkeric Diglot Moderator Singapore Joined 6377 days ago 1598 posts - 2174 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Mandarin, Malay Personal Language Map | Message 31 of 39 27 May 2010 at 4:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
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You can read the philosophy behind Heisig's approach here.
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| maaku Senior Member United States Joined 5572 days ago 359 posts - 562 votes Speaks: English* | Message 32 of 39 27 May 2010 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Because people have gone through Heisig is record short time (~100 hours of study for the Japanese book--some people on kanji.koohii.com have done it in less than 3 weeks).
And THEN, learning Chinese or Japanese becomes much more like learning, say, German or Italian (perhaps easier in fact, as Mandarin and Japanese are not that intrinsically difficult) because each time you encounter a new word, you recognize the characters it is written with. In fact, that knowledge may even provide a guess to its meaning and pronunciation. But in any case you won't have to learn yet another funny sequence of squiggles (time consuming) every time you encounter something new--which is time inefficient, annoying, and demotivating. Unless you're a masochist, it's far better to get that out of the way early on, no? To the point that there's disagreement about Heisig, there are really two camps of people: those who have finished Heisig and love it, and those who don't like it and didn't try or gave up partway through. I have yet to find a single person that has finished Heisig and later not recommend it. Maybe that's a reflection of the difficulty of Heisig--you'd have to like it to finish it--but if the lack of pronunciation, etc. really caused problems then you'd think there'd be at least one person with remorse, right? Edited by maaku on 27 May 2010 at 6:56pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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