Lucia Diglot Senior Member Spain Joined 6820 days ago 146 posts - 147 votes Speaks: English, Spanish* Studies: German
| Message 25 of 35 22 June 2006 at 7:43am | IP Logged |
Tadeo,what variety of Mexican would you say was spoken in "Amores perros " ? I´ve read "Retorno 201"by Guillermo Arriaga ,the same person that wrote the screenplay for the movie.I didn´t have any problem with his written language but I could barely understand what the actors said in the film.
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Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6894 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map
| Message 26 of 35 22 June 2006 at 4:30pm | IP Logged |
Tadeo wrote:
and they use the pronoun “vosotros” which many
Mexicans think we “lost” (but which in reality was a European innovation that wasn’t copied in the American Continent) |
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Pardon me, and I'll have to check up on the facts of this when I have time, but surely "vosotros" was based on the older form "vos", which you _did_ drop, ie. "lost", at one point or other in history ?
Great post btw. I enjoyed and learned a great deal from this rather complete description of a range of different perceptions, both positive and negative, where you as the writer had the good sense to just describe reality, and not take a stand in favour or in defense of one camp or the other.
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Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6749 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai
| Message 27 of 35 22 June 2006 at 5:46pm | IP Logged |
Thanks you guys, this was the sort of ideas that I was hoping for regarding Spanish varieties from perspectives of speakers of different varieties.
I still think that the Spanish of argentina sounds really beautiful and cool but I heared that speakers in Spain ridicule this accent. Is this the case.
Also, is Cuban Spanish viewed as cool due to the likes of movies like Scarface and is Puerto Rican Spanish viewed as cool due to the impact of Reggaeton? How are these Caribbean dialects perceived by other speakers?
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Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6894 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map
| Message 29 of 35 23 June 2006 at 7:06am | IP Logged |
Tadeo wrote:
At the same time, vosotros developed as one ALTERNATIVE to make it clear that one was addressing many, instead of just one (vos) ... |
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OK, and your description of events appears logical and interesting.
But apart from whether the pronoun used is vos or vosotros or something else, I was thinking more of the second person plural being lost as a verb form, when the third person "ustedes" was adopted for everybody.
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Lucia Diglot Senior Member Spain Joined 6820 days ago 146 posts - 147 votes Speaks: English, Spanish* Studies: German
| Message 31 of 35 23 June 2006 at 9:10am | IP Logged |
Thanks for your answer Tadeo.It´s a real luxury to have you as a forum member.
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