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| LebensForm Senior Member Austria Joined 5051 days ago 212 posts - 264 votes  Studies: German | Message 1 of 14 19 December 2011 at 6:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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I understand that there is no translation for the word "doch". but I am trying to understand exactly when I need to use this word. I know it can be used for making commands sound nicer. This could be wrong but it came to mind first, "Gehen Sie doch weg," go away, but rather please go away kind of thing. I know there are many other uses for Doch, but does anyone else here have some insight on how I can use this word better? I do know that the best way is to just listen to native Germans speak and I will eventually pick up on how and when they use Doch.
Also, in general, does anyone have any good ideas for strong German grammar books? Ones that you have found to be quite useful? What would you all recommend? Danke sehr! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Alexander86 Tetraglot Senior Member United Kingdom alanguagediary.blogs Joined 4982 days ago 224 posts - 323 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German, Catalan Studies: Swedish | Message 2 of 14 19 December 2011 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hmm. A good way of using 'doch' is in replying to a negative question positively i.e. someone asks: möchtest du
kein Bier? and you answer: doch, ich möchte ein gutes kaltes Bier... (this has a lovely equivalent in Swedish jo) It helps to make conversation flow, it just sounds better and more natural. Other words you may want to learn how to use in their fashion are: mal, denn and je. Good strong German grammar books... Are you looking for an exercise book (Schaum's is pretty good) or a comprehensive grammar guide/bible (no idea, wouldn't mind knowing one myself!)? Tschüss 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| ember Triglot Groupie CyprusRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5404 days ago 63 posts - 101 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, German Studies: Spanish, French, Greek, Polish | Message 3 of 14 19 December 2011 at 8:40pm | IP Logged | ||
I always liked Dreyer-Schmitt grammar. It has both theoretical and practical volume, and it is published both in English and in German (and in a few other languages), so you can take your pick. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gosiak Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5127 days ago 241 posts - 361 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, German Studies: Norwegian, Welsh | Message 4 of 14 19 December 2011 at 9:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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I agree with ember. Dreyer-Schmitt is the best grammar I have on my shelf. The only
downside to it is the key booklet that is sold separately (I have the German version). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| LebensForm Senior Member Austria Joined 5051 days ago 212 posts - 264 votes Studies: German | Message 5 of 14 19 December 2011 at 10:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks all! Yeah I was wondering more about a comprehensive grammar book, not so much exercies. I have a high tolerance for dry reading especially for when it comes to German grammar! I love it lol. And I do need to read more about mal, denn, je and others, even ja sometimes I understand can be used in different contexts.
Thanks again all Ich wünsche euch einen schönen Abend. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5321 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 6 of 14 19 December 2011 at 10:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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The German modal particle wiki page has some good example sentences for "doch" and other frequently used particles.
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| fomalhaut Groupie United States Joined 4904 days ago 80 posts - 101 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 7 of 14 20 December 2011 at 12:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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doch is a lot easier than i initially thought
it's simply a disagreement with a previous statement, thought, condition, etc. its use with aber; aber er hat doch es wieder gemacht (er wurde gesagt, das nicht wieder zu machen) is simply a very strong aber. and then it's use of disagreeing with a previous assertion; hast du keine Zeit, oder? doch! gibt es kein Gebirge in Arizona? doch! / es gibt doch viel! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| outcast Bilingual Heptaglot Senior Member China Joined 4950 days ago 869 posts - 1364 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English*, German, Italian, French, Portuguese, Mandarin Studies: Korean | Message 8 of 14 24 December 2011 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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Understanding "doch" almost immediately was a rare example of my forgotten French helping me out in German (I took two years of French in high school, then forgot a lot of it), since German is the first language I started learning as a language autodidact.
While my grammar book simply described doch as a "flavoring particle", alongside ja, denn, and mal, I immediately noticed how every time the dialog had a negative question, the reply used "doch!". I learned to take special notice of negative questions in French class, because when they occur you do not reply with "oui", but rather "si". Bingo. I had understood "doch", just like that. :) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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