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kanewai
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 Message 17 of 36
06 June 2012 at 10:29pm | IP Logged 
lingoleng wrote:
BaronBill wrote:
By the same token, many accomplished linguistic
scholars have very little experience with the actual learning of a foreign language.

Is not true in Germany, and not in Europe, as far as I know. What specific area of the
world are you talking about?
In the English speaking world, perhaps? "Linguists"
and "polyglots" are two
different things
, albeit with a fair amount of overlap.


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lingoleng
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 Message 18 of 36
06 June 2012 at 10:30pm | IP Logged 
BaronBill wrote:

I apologize for not being able to properly contribute to the conversation.


I can help you, try it like this: Some theoretical linguists of the Chomsky school, mainly in the USA, can survive with a proper knowledge of their native language only.

(If they can give a description of their native idiom that seems adequate, according to the momentarily valid theoretical framework (which is called minimal now, and will become some smaller in the not so distant future) , they get some reputation and can write some articles or even books until the framework changes or evaporates.)

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Pisces
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 Message 19 of 36
06 June 2012 at 11:10pm | IP Logged 
There's a website called the Linguist list, where (among other things) people can post questions for professional linguists. linguistlist.org/ask-ling/

(One of the things that most annoys them is when people confuse linguists with polyglots. Some of them are fairly touchy.)

I think only a subset of linguists are interested in second language acquisition. And because many linguists want to be thought of as "scientists" the kind of information found on this forum, however useful it may be to the members, may not be of so much interest to them.

Edited by Pisces on 06 June 2012 at 11:10pm

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William Camden
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 Message 20 of 36
07 June 2012 at 1:24pm | IP Logged 
I tend to agree with the explanations given. I don't think this is a very attractive forum for academics who are after all paid to teach, and there are too many jejune or repetitive questions. These days, if I come on the forum at all, I often prefer to scout around in its early days, 2005-7, rather than spend much time on the more up-to-date posts.
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TixhiiDon
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 Message 21 of 36
07 June 2012 at 1:40pm | IP Logged 
The reason, I think, is that this is a hobby site. It's a place for people who enjoy studying foreign
languages in order to be able to travel, read, watch movies and anime and listen to music from other
countries, and communicate with people from those countries. It is also a welcoming forum for new language
learners, no matter how young, inexperienced, or "jejune" they may be.

I am a professional translator and it has never even crossed my mind that I should be charging for advice I
have given here. Are there really people who are so crudely motivated by money?

I also think the vast majority of visitors to this site are more interested in figuring out German word order,
aspect in Russian, whether Assimil or Linguaphone is better for Spanish, where to find cool DVDs in
Georgian (well, that may just be me), and who is hot in the world of J-Pop, rather than Chomsky's theories
and sociolinguistics.

If the site seems too trivial for some people, there's an easy solution: don't waste your time reading and
posting here.

Edited by TixhiiDon on 07 June 2012 at 3:51pm

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aokoye
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 Message 22 of 36
07 June 2012 at 8:55pm | IP Logged 
TixhiiDon wrote:
If the site seems too trivial for some people, there's an easy solution: don't waste your
time reading and
posting here.


I think people may be doing just that. I don't know that anyone is saying this site is too trivial for their
individual self, rather that others may see it that way and thus are not participating.
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Cavesa
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 Message 23 of 36
07 June 2012 at 11:47pm | IP Logged 
The other side of the question is: Why nearly no members of the forum become professional
linguists, even though many could if they wanted?

1.We care for different aspects of a language.
2.The other side seems to us less worthy of our attention/boring/superficial/whatever
else can each side think of.
3.We do not mix our hobbies and job. It is nice to have somewhere to escape from our job
related worries and stress.
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 Message 24 of 36
09 June 2012 at 4:43am | IP Logged 
I can't speak for the experts, but some of them may be annoyed at having to compete with language showoffs for
the microphone. If a professional came to this bulletin board and explained to a language showoff why he/she is
not a polyglot/linguist/(whatever expert title), just imagine how quickly such a thread would degenerate into a
flame war and be closed by a moderator. If you were an expert who had credentials in linguistics but were fluent in
2 or 3 languages, what would you say to a person who claims to have 10 languages under his/her belt but has
almost never travelled or done any academic coursework in foreign languages or linguistics?

One such "expert" on youtube went out of his way to bash Moses McCormick, Benny the Irish Polyglot, and Steve
Kaufman for pretending to be experts on linguistics and second language acquisition.


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