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| Umin Triglot Newbie Germany despairedreading.worRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4548 days ago 37 posts - 52 votes  Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Japanese Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 9 of 21 21 June 2012 at 4:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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montmorency, it might be generational, yes, although I can't really remember anybody ever using a Konjunktiv in normal spoken language around me.
Then however, it might also depend on the class in society somebody's from. Maybe if you grow up in a family of university professors, they will use stuff like that in spoken language as well from time to time. It might also depend on which region somebody's from. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| SuburbanGinger Newbie United States Joined 5246 days ago 15 posts - 15 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Russian | Message 10 of 21 21 June 2012 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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Is ich hätte kaufen the same as ich würde gekauft haben? And thanks again for all this Konjunktiv help.
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| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4689 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 11 of 21 21 June 2012 at 7:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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Technically, I think so, but I had to scratch my head for a bit, because I had a hard time thinking of an actual context in which they would sound natural to me. For example, when I see "ich hätte kaufen," I immediately assume there's another infinitive on the way and the verbal structure isn't complete.
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| LebensForm Senior Member Austria Joined 5051 days ago 212 posts - 264 votes Studies: German | Message 12 of 21 22 June 2012 at 6:37am | IP Logged | ||
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Exactly, I would expect more as well but I think with haben, you always use the true subjunctive form, hätte(n). One always used the true subjunctive with sein too, wäre(n). I also tend to use the würde plus infinitive construction because some times the forms are the same as the present tense verb, as in gehen.
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| Bakunin Diglot Senior Member Switzerland outerkhmer.blogspot. Joined 5131 days ago 531 posts - 1126 votes Speaks: German*, Thai Studies: Khmer | Message 13 of 21 22 June 2012 at 6:52am | IP Logged | ||
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"Ich hätte gekauft", not "ich hätte kaufen"... Beispielsätze: Ich hätte zwei Sandwichs gekauft, wenn ich gewusst
hätte, dass Du auch eins willst. Ich hätte das T-Shirt gekauft, wenn es 20 Franken billiger gewesen wäre. "Ich würde gekauft haben" doesn't exist. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| SuburbanGinger Newbie United States Joined 5246 days ago 15 posts - 15 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Russian | Message 14 of 21 22 June 2012 at 8:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well, I guess my grammar book is wrong then. It keeps having me conjugate verbs with würden + ge...+
haben/sein. Thanks 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bakunin Diglot Senior Member Switzerland outerkhmer.blogspot. Joined 5131 days ago 531 posts - 1126 votes Speaks: German*, Thai Studies: Khmer | Message 15 of 21 22 June 2012 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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That's what confuses me a bit. But I'm 100% positive that "würde gekauft haben" sounds wrong to me and I would
never use it. I also did a google search for "würde es gekauft haben" versus "hätte es gekauft". The former yields conjugation tables (which must be wrong), but not a single proper German example. The few examples that show up are all in broken German. The search for "hätte es gekauft", on the other hand, yields many correct German sentences. Maybe other German native speakers can give their opinion on "würde gekauft haben"?! My (unasked for) advice is to throw out your grammar book and start reading and listening to native content. Pay attention to this form. After encountering many correct examples in your reading and listening, you will start to develop a feeling for what's right and what's wrong. Start using it by imitating (repeating) correct phrases you've heard or read. Once your Sprachgefühl has matured, you will be able to modify correct phrases and attain proficiency. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5299 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes | Message 16 of 21 22 June 2012 at 11:20pm | IP Logged | ||
It does exist. According to the Duden grammar (4. Auflage, Seite 158): "Die Formen des würde-Gefüges unterscheiden sich in ihrer Funktion nicht von den einfachen und periphrastischen Formen des Konjunktivs II." Some examples: Er hätte gekauft/ würde gekauft haben. Er wäre gekommen/ würde gekommen sein. Er hätte gesungen/ würde gesungen haben. How realistic these examples are is not so clear, imo. Of course, many people use "ich würde kaufen" for "ich käme", "ich würde kommen" instead of "ich käme" and "ich würde singen" instead of "ich sänge". But in the case of the Irrealis der Vergangenheit (hätte gekauft ...) I agree that the substitution by "würde" must be less used, and maybe not common at all. To speakers of other dialects - my native dialect is Bavarian - this may be more acceptable, or not, I don't know. Edited by lingoleng on 22 June 2012 at 11:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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