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vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4683 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German
| Message 1 of 27 18 October 2012 at 8:34pm | IP Logged |
Hi all,
for the purpose of building some tool to help learning languages (reading mostly), I am looking for some people who wouldn't mind sharing their Anki decks.
The goal for me is to have actual used decks (as opposed to the clean ones I could download from the Anki shared decks) in order to simulate various levels of learners (from beginner to highly advanced) and generate reading suggestions corresponding to each of these decks. I have other plans after that, but this is the first step.
In that context, I am looking for about any decks, but with a priority for:
- French or Spanish decks. I don't care what is the base language you use in it, as long as the target is one of these two. Other languages will be helpful for me as well, but I want to do a little presentation of the software next week, and my audience being British, it seems they are more likely to be receptive if I show them any of these two.
- Preferably, a word deck. I also plan to deal with sentence decks, but my immediate need is more the word list type of deck.
- About any level. It will be much better if I can show the contrast in suggestions between different kinds of learners, so decks ranging from a few hundred cards to over 10 thousands will be perfect.
If you're willing to help, please let me know here:
- the language
- the number of cards
- the level (of the cards you've seen... if you have a 10000 card deck but have seen only the 2000 first, I'm interested in the level of those 2000)
- If you read news in those languages (standard websites or perhaps news "for learners"), I'm also interested in that.
and I will contact you.
Thanks in advance for your help, I hope to be able to come back very soon with better news (primarily, something working and useful, but also a broader spectrum of languages).
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| Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5022 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 2 of 27 21 October 2012 at 6:29pm | IP Logged |
My decks tell too much about me.
Anyway I don't have such a deck and if I had - I doubt I would share it with you - maybe I will change my mind - reading more from you.
Edited by Michel1020 on 21 October 2012 at 6:29pm
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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5135 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe
| Message 3 of 27 21 October 2012 at 6:56pm | IP Logged |
I'm not a *huge* ANKI user, although I use it sometimes during my "downtimes", but I
wonder how most people actually organize their decks.
I tend to have separate decks for each book or novel I read, or perhaps separate decks
for each news outlet I use. I can't believe I'm the only person to organize their decks
this way.
I'm curious to know how you would find decks that are organized in such a way useful to
generate suggested reading material.
R.
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| vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4683 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German
| Message 4 of 27 21 October 2012 at 11:37pm | IP Logged |
Michel1020 wrote:
My decks tell too much about me.
Anyway I don't have such a deck and if I had - I doubt I would share it with you - maybe I will change my mind - reading more from you. |
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That's fine, I'm not forcing anybody and I understand that some people might want to keep their decks private. I'm pretty sure there are people who don't have things to hide in their decks. Anyway, I clearly have better things to do than examine what someone's deck can tell me about their private life: I just need the list of words a person knows, as well as the due dates of these words in Anki (and possibly fails, if ever I find enough time to reach my goal within a few days).
If I was learning French or Spanish, I would use my own, but unfortunately using my Chinese or Swahili decks wouldn't be very entertaining for my audience: I just need to tell them: "Here we have a beginner learner of Spanish, these are the suggestions he would get. You can see the article is much simpler than those recommended for that other learner of Spanish whose level is advanced." I have no intention (nor time) to show them examples of what a beginner/advanced learner is, that'll just be a label.
hrhenry wrote:
I tend to have separate decks for each book or novel I read, or perhaps separate decks
for each news outlet I use. I can't believe I'm the only person to organize their decks
this way.
I'm curious to know how you would find decks that are organized in such a way useful to
generate suggested reading material. |
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Thanks for your message. That is a good question, and for now I don't have the answer. This is a personal project that I will get the opportunity to present to a few people, so I'm looking for a functional demo first. So as I said, it's firstly personal, I think this software (or whatever form it will take.. website or anything) will help me spend more time on my languages and save me some trouble finding "what" I could be interested in and that would be at my level.
If I find it useful for me, I suppose some people could find it useful to, in which case I would be happy to think of different ways to use it. As for your question, I suppose it would be possible to collapse all your decks in one (I mean, from the point of view of the software, the decks themselves would be read-only) and treat them as a single deck. There are certainly a lot of possibilities, but I'm still working on having proper basics now :-)
So if people are interested, please let me know.
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| Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5022 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 5 of 27 22 October 2012 at 11:43am | IP Logged |
vermillon wrote:
I just need the list of words a person knows, as well as the due dates of these words in Anki (and possibly fails, if ever I find enough time to reach my goal within a few days). |
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One's deck will neither tell you the words one knows nor the words one doesn't know.
Words you know - you don't put in Anki. The words you don't know are not all in your deck.
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| vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4683 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German
| Message 6 of 27 22 October 2012 at 11:55am | IP Logged |
Thanks for this valuable piece of advice, I would never have guessed myself that a deck didn't contain all the words of a language.
Michel1020 wrote:
Words you know - you don't put in Anki. |
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You need to sit in a logic class. The words you put in Anki, you get to know them, otherwise you wouldn't use Anki. Once you know them, "you" may delete them, but I take it that people usually don't and therefore a deck contains quite a lot of words the person knows. Inferring the global vocabulary knowledge of a user and assuming easier words he might know is a solved task, and that's how the "test your vocabulary size" tests work. So it's a perfectly sensible assumption to consider that your deck, if you use it regularly, tells something about what vocabulary you know and which one you may actually not know.
I do not quite get why you would want to post to say "I don't want to help" and "That wouldn't work". I'm sure you have better things to do with your time.
I'm also wondering what your deck can "tell about you" if it contains neither what you know, nor the entirety of what you don't know and you consider it is impossible to infer anything from that.
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| Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5022 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 7 of 27 22 October 2012 at 3:32pm | IP Logged |
Don't you think most people know their level without your work on their deck and if they don't - they will quickly know if something they are reading is too easy or too advanced for their level ?
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| vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4683 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German
| Message 8 of 27 22 October 2012 at 3:55pm | IP Logged |
I see you like trolling, just throwing random questions and ignoring my answers. I'll answer that last question of yours.
My goal is to have a software, mostly for my personal use (as obviously everyone else but me knows their own level), that would, out of the hundreds of articles published every day in the news, select a few that are more likely to be in my reach. There are several ways of expanding this, by suggesting articles that are challenging just enough so that they actually benefit the user without being too difficult.
I have further plans, but I first want to develop the first step. I don't want your deck, clearly, and I wish you a good day.
If anyone ever wants to help me with a deck, please let me know. I can also accept comments, even if the focus is my short deadline for now.
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