john33 Newbie Australia Joined 4430 days ago 4 posts - 6 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin
| Message 9 of 27 23 October 2012 at 1:22am | IP Logged |
Just for noting. There seems to be some confusion about Anki. Because it is a spaced repetitive learning
system, the deck one uses will rapidly reflect ones own level and personal use anyway. If one begins with a
standard basic vocabulary from some source, words that are easy will, after a while, only appear rarely. There is no
need to eliminate them. Then add words from the type of material that fits one's own reading interest. It is
essentially not recommended on the Anki site (as I recall) to have more than one deck for a language. One can
always tag words of a particular type or category and just review those, if necessary to do so.
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Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5022 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 10 of 27 23 October 2012 at 9:11am | IP Logged |
john33 wrote:
Just for noting. There seems to be some confusion about Anki. Because it is a spaced repetitive learning
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Reflect personal use of Anki for sure but language level - only if you use Anki as your main (and only ?) learning tool.
You also have to consider the type of your cards - what does it tell you about my level if my cards are L1 vs L2, L2 vs L1, L2 vs L2, Media vs L2 or L2 vs Media, words, setences ?
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If one begins with a
standard basic vocabulary from some source, words that are easy will, after a while, only appear rarely. There is no
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If you have many cards it makes sense to delete the one you know because even if a known card is due in 3 years - the day it will appear it will take the place of one you don't learned yet. You don't want that to happen with thousands of cards. (how many reviews before a card is due in 3 years ?)
john33 wrote:
Then add words from the type of material that fits one's own reading interest. It is
essentially not recommended on the Anki site (as I recall) to have more than one deck for a language. One can
always tag words of a particular type or category and just review those, if necessary to do so. |
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You can make as many decks as you wish - if you need to refer to all of them together you can refer to their parent directory.
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stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4878 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish
| Message 11 of 27 23 October 2012 at 4:16pm | IP Logged |
^That's a feature of Anki 2, where you can have many subdecks of one deck, then you can
group them by book, then by chapter, etc.
You can then review the words by chapter, or you could review them by book, or simply
just review all due cards.
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jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6914 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map
| Message 12 of 27 23 October 2012 at 8:50pm | IP Logged |
Michel1020 wrote:
If you have many cards it makes sense to delete the one you know because even if a known card is due in 3 years - the day it will appear it will take the place of one you don't learned yet. You don't want that to happen with thousands of cards. (how many reviews before a card is due in 3 years ?) |
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OK, maybe you don't want/need to review every single word in many years from now, and by then, you have probably advanced to real literature (and thus, get enough review just by reading)... while the "Hey, now I KNOW this word and won't ever have to review it again" feeling isn't that helpful either. By doing the daily Anki repetitions, I'm sure that the word I saved (and found useful) a year ago (but haven't yet seen in another text) will show up again and again.
If I moved to another country where I felt I had a decent level in the language spoken, and provided I'd get A LOT of exposure to the language, I'd probably never use Anki. But for all us who are still in our native countries, with (possibly) very few opportunities to interact with natives, a vocab tool such as Anki might be useful.
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Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5022 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 13 of 27 24 October 2012 at 4:50pm | IP Logged |
I don't interact that much with natives either.
Most of my cards are one or more sentences, not words - so I will probably end up with more cards.
When I talk about deleting a card - this does not mean the card is lost - I keep either a file exported from Anki or the source of the initial importation or the spreadsheet where I built the card. So I am able to import the card again if I feel I need to review it. I think maybe this way I could review a card sooner than I would if I had simply keep it in Anki.
I think nobody should keep all his cards in Anki forever. There are words I will never forget even in language I don't learn - at least not until I get Alzheimer. If I forget the meaning of one or more words - I prefer to work on it in stead of waiting for Anki to display the card.
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jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6914 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map
| Message 14 of 27 24 October 2012 at 7:33pm | IP Logged |
Maybe it's just me, but I think deleting a card while saving it in another file so you can import it again and thus review it sooner than intended sounds like one of the worse SRS ideas so far. Why adding it in the first place? Do you want to review it or not? If you want to make sure you see the card often enough, choose a lower score. If you're almost sure you'll never forget it, choose the highest score possible until it's due in a couple of years.
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vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4683 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German
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jeff_lindqvist wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I think deleting a card while saving it in another file so you can import it again and thus review it sooner than intended sounds like one of the worse SRS ideas so far. |
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I can't agree more. The dilution of these unforgettable cards is such that it realy doesn't hurt to see them once a year and even less. The time spent deleting the card (especially as I use Ankidroid) is far greater than actually answering the card. And it also contributes to building one's profile in Anki, because Anki uses information about all your answers to influence the schedulding.
Anyway, I've started implementing what I wanted to do and I already have something selecting easy / difficult articles according to the Anki deck. Tomorrow is my hack day and I'll have around 6-7h to put into programming it further, and at the end of the day do my demo. If ever someone feels generous enough to send me his deck (Jeff? I see Spanish & French in your study list?), please do it now. :)
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Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5022 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 16 of 27 25 October 2012 at 9:41am | IP Logged |
Good luck for your demo or should I say with your demo ?
I think deleting make sense if you have many cards but I don't try to make you change your mind because your method makes sense too.
I think it is best to keep the ratio between the number of cards in your deck by the number of cards you review each day as low as possible - and the only way to do that is to delete cards because at one point you are not able to review more cards.
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