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| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5428 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 273 of 319 27 April 2014 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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Part of the problem of using these astronomical vocabulary size numbers for the CFER tests is how to use them to
prepare for the tests. For the C2 level, do you make a 10,000 Anki stack for your active vocabulary and work through it systematically? Or maybe 10,000 flashcards. In the last three months before the exam, you study 100 words a day? I think this would be pure folly. Your time would be certainly better spent discussing with your tutor and developing true fluency and grammatical precision. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 274 of 319 27 April 2014 at 6:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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And nobody is suggesting working through isolated cards. Anki is useful but it's much better to have a lot of input and get your cards from there, if you use them at all. And thematic textbooks for the vocabulary are also a great tool for those who like them. Edited by Serpent on 27 April 2014 at 6:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6701 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 275 of 319 27 April 2014 at 10:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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I don't use Anki, but wordlists. I have however solved the problem with growing stacks and proportionally growing bad conscience in a radical way: after one or two repetitions I put the old wordlists on a heap, and I rarely look on anything older than a couple of days. If it is older then I feel that I could just as well make a new list and learn that. I know this runs against all the wisdom about the Ebbinghaus effect etc., but all common words will return again and again in my daily reading, and so will the less common words within my scientific fields of interest. And besides I'll do large surveys once in a while where I get through thousands of words and anything that didn't fit the previous two categories will fit this one. Besides I would drown in new words from new texts if I didn't put the old lists aside.
In fact I could just as well kick them out. I mainly keep to them for sentimental reasons and to check whether I can recognize the majority the words on the old lists, and as long as this is the case I don't see any reason to keep repeating old lists again and again and again. Edited by Iversen on 28 April 2014 at 2:04am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5428 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 276 of 319 27 April 2014 at 11:09pm | IP Logged | ||
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Far from me to denigrate Anki, flashcards or vocabulary in general. I use these tools myself, but my emphasis is on
using everything I learn in some practical way. Otherwise it just goes in one ear and out the other. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 277 of 319 27 April 2014 at 11:39pm | IP Logged | ||
That depends. Listening is not necessarily like you described. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5428 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 278 of 319 28 April 2014 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | ||
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British English usage never ceases to amaze, especially for those words that we North Americans use all the time.
For example, from today's Guardian I read: "Garnham is a leading silk in public inquiry law, acted as counsel to the Victoria Climbie inquiry, and sits as a deputy high court judge." What in the world is a "leading silk"? This is a barrister having the rank of QC or Queen's Counsel, if I've got that right. All of this to add to the debate about what it means to know a word. Edited by s_allard on 28 April 2014 at 4:56pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| lichtrausch Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5958 days ago 525 posts - 1072 votes Speaks: English*, German, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 279 of 319 28 April 2014 at 2:32pm | IP Logged | ||
As North Americans, neither of us can be expected to know that usage. :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5563 days ago 938 posts - 1840 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 280 of 319 28 April 2014 at 2:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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That's correct - a normal barrister wears a robe of black stuff (e.g. a wool-cotton
blend) but one who successfully applies to be Queens' Counsel wears a robe of black silk. Hence, to become a QC is 'to take [a] silk [gown]'. Edited by Elexi on 28 April 2014 at 2:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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