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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 9 of 12 21 March 2012 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | ||
And why didn't you write them рь, ль at the beginning? How could we understand you? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Shemtov Diglot Groupie United States Joined 4815 days ago 49 posts - 59 votes Speaks: English*, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Mandarin, Japanese, Aramaic | Message 10 of 12 22 March 2012 at 3:25am | IP Logged | ||
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I can pronounce рь, ль fine. The problem is when they come before ю or я. In phonetic terms I cannot pronounce the cluster /rj/ or the cluster/lj/. This cluster does not exist in English or Hebrew! Therefore, the word люда comes out as лыюда. I have asked other English speakers to pronounce it and they do it the same as I do. Edited by Shemtov on 22 March 2012 at 3:27am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| vonPeterhof Tetraglot Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4773 days ago 715 posts - 1527 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Japanese, German Studies: Kazakh, Korean, Norwegian, Turkish | Message 11 of 12 22 March 2012 at 6:34am | IP Logged | ||
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The thing is, those aren't really clusters, those are just palatalized consonants followed by vowels. In stressed syllables ря is pronounced /rʲa/ (phonetically [rʲæ]) and рю is pronounced /rʲu/ (phonetically [rʲʉ], if followed by another palatalized consonant), not /rja/ or /rju/. Same rules apply to ля and лю. Just practise pronouncing the palatalized consonants the way Марк instructed, and then try appending the vowels at the end.
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 12 of 12 22 March 2012 at 8:26am | IP Logged | ||
ля, лю, ря, рю do not have any rj and lj clusters. J can appear only after soft R, L in Russian anyway. I have a suspection that Hebrew L can serve as Russian soft L although I'm not sure. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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