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Марк
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21 March 2012 at 7:16pm | IP Logged

Shemtov wrote:

Sorry if there's already a thread on this, but is their a guide anywere
too pronouncing the Russian sounds Ry and ly?

And why didn't you write them рь, ль at the beginning? How could we understand you?
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Shemtov
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22 March 2012 at 3:25am | IP Logged

I can pronounce рь, ль fine. The problem is when they come before ю or я. In phonetic terms I cannot pronounce the cluster /rj/ or the cluster/lj/. This cluster does not exist in English or Hebrew! Therefore, the word люда comes out as лыюда. I have asked other English speakers to pronounce it and they do it the same as I do.

Edited by Shemtov on 22 March 2012 at 3:27am
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22 March 2012 at 6:34am | IP Logged

The thing is, those aren't really clusters, those are just palatalized consonants followed by vowels. In stressed syllables ря is pronounced /rʲa/ (phonetically [rʲæ]) and рю is pronounced /rʲu/ (phonetically [rʲʉ], if followed by another palatalized consonant), not /rja/ or /rju/. Same rules apply to ля and лю. Just practise pronouncing the palatalized consonants the way Марк instructed, and then try appending the vowels at the end.
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Марк
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22 March 2012 at 8:26am | IP Logged

Shemtov wrote:

I can pronounce рь, ль fine. The problem is when they come before ю or
я. In phonetic terms I cannot pronounce the cluster /rj/ or the cluster/lj/. This
cluster does not exist in English or Hebrew! Therefore, the word люда comes out as лыюда.
I have asked other English speakers to pronounce it and they do it the same as I do.

ля, лю, ря, рю do not have any rj and lj clusters. J can appear only after soft R, L in
Russian anyway.
I have a suspection that Hebrew L can serve as Russian soft L although I'm not sure.

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