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SchwarzerWolf Newbie Italy Joined 4528 days ago 20 posts - 27 votes Speaks: Italian* Studies: English, German
| Message 9 of 12 02 January 2013 at 9:43pm | IP Logged |
Hi guys, after six months I feel the need to come back with the latest news.
In these months, although I've not been studying very hard, I made some progress: I completed more than a half of my lessons, according to Anki I know 2146 German words (about -10% for the real number, of course) and have a good knowledge of grammar rules.
It's a good basic knowledge to start from, and now I feel that lessons make themselves easier.
Even if I'm still wondering about the most effective method, I've achieved the results above (ok, nothing special) by changing the method I started with (for those who don't remember, please see post number one for further details)
I think that when a method seems heavy and discouraging, it's simply not working and that all those repetitions that made my method "heavy" were mostly useless.
In my opinion everybody's brain needs to rest to store all the information learned and to memorize it in the long run, so intead of flooding my brain with a huge amount of repetitions of a single sentence/lesson in just one day, now I repeat a single lesson from time to time. More effective and more relaxing.
My two copper cents, that's all :D
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emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5537 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map
| Message 10 of 12 02 January 2013 at 11:27pm | IP Logged |
SchwarzerWolf wrote:
In these months, although I've not been studying very hard, I made some progress: I completed more than a half of my lessons, according to Anki I know 2146 German words (about -10% for the real number, of course) and have a good knowledge of grammar rules.
It's a good basic knowledge to start from, and now I feel that lessons make themselves easier. |
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Congratulations on some great progress! Your new approach sounds perfectly reasonable, and I'm glad it's working for you.
When I was studying Egyptian this fall, I quickly realized that if I saw a word or a grammatical structure in one context, the best I could do was memorize it. But if I saw it and understood it in 10 or so different contexts over the course of a couple of weeks, that I just sort of naturally knew it. So I agree with you, and I think it's better to move on to new lessons and see new material, and to go back and review old lessons occasionally.
Now that you know several thousand words and a good amount of grammar, have you considered trying other activities? You should be able to read some easy books by now, and have conversations with patient native speakers, if you wish. You are reaching the point where you should be able to start using your German, which is when things get fun and exciting.
As I'm sure you know, most people will never reach a high level using nothing but a course. At some point, it becomes necessary to branch out and really use the language in many different ways. So if you ever feel like your progress is slowing down, you may want to try new things.
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| SchwarzerWolf Newbie Italy Joined 4528 days ago 20 posts - 27 votes Speaks: Italian* Studies: English, German
| Message 11 of 12 03 January 2013 at 1:55pm | IP Logged |
emk wrote:
Now that you know several thousand words and a good amount of grammar, have you considered trying other activities? You should be able to read some easy books by now, and have conversations with patient native speakers, if you wish. You are reaching the point where you should be able to start using your German, which is when things get fun and exciting.
As I'm sure you know, most people will never reach a high level using nothing but a course. At some point, it becomes necessary to branch out and really use the language in many different ways. So if you ever feel like your progress is slowing down, you may want to try new things. |
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Hi emk, thank you for the answer.
My course is very comprehensive and at the moment I'd rather keep on learning German language with it. Maybe it's a paradox, but I believe that something like that would help me improve my English, as I have a good vocabulary, but a horrible pronunciation and listening :)
When my German vocabulary will be less limited, I'll be surely glad to make some conversation with patient native speakers. Anyway, just for my knowledge, what kind of website links patient native speakers with barely speaking learners?
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emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5537 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map
| Message 12 of 12 03 January 2013 at 5:07pm | IP Logged |
SchwarzerWolf wrote:
My course is very comprehensive and at the moment I'd rather keep on learning German language with it. |
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Oh, you should definitely keep doing your course! If it's helping you improve your German, then there's no reason to stop.
When I finished Assimil New French with Ease, I had a vocabulary of maybe 2000 words (or less?) and I knew enough grammar to get by. Before that, I had studied one lesson a day for 6 months, so I was used to courses. I tried starting a more advanced Assimil course, but the things that helped me the most were trying to read French books and trying to speak with people.
Most people will eventually reach a point where a good course is still very helpful, but where it's not enough all by itself. Speaking, listening, reading and writing are all important skills, and you'll eventually need to practice them in the real world.
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When my German vocabulary will be less limited, I'll be surely glad to make some conversation with patient native speakers. Anyway, just for my knowledge, what kind of website links patient native speakers with barely speaking learners? |
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I've had good luck with language exchange sites like SharedTalk and Verbling. I've also had good luck with practicing my writing on lang-8, making friends there, and setting up Skype calls. The idea is that you would look for German speakers learning Italian, and spend time helping each other practice. There may also be Germans living in Italy who meet on a regular basis.
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