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Norvasc
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03 January 2013 at 5:40am | IP Logged 
I recently finished the part 1 series of "A new course in urdu and spoken hindi for
learners in Britan by Ralph Russel".

At this stage I wanted to keep away from learning the Devanagari script and wanted to concentrate in memorizing phrases and short stories, pretty much as the Assimil course.

Does anyone know of any courses or books that they could suggest to take my Hindi to the
next level after finishing the above book, something with romanized texts please?
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Jeffers
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03 January 2013 at 1:31pm | IP Logged 
Sorry to say it, but if you really want to take your Hindi to the next level, you're going to have to consider learning Devanagari. It looks daunting, but it is actually a fairly easy script to read, and far less confusing than trying to decipher Romanized Hindi. Given that there are four versions of the letters "T" and "D", for example, how do you tell them apart properly? The systems for romanizing the script are as complicated as the script itself. I never used it, but Teach Yourself Hindi Script gets great reviews.

I've found the Teach Yourself series to be quite helpful. Teach Yourself Hindi Conversation is all audio, so no need to bother with the script. You probably won't learn much that you didn't already learn in the text you used, but it works well as additional practice. Teach Yourself Beginner's Hindi (or whatever it's called now!) is an excellent introduction to the language, and uses romanized script below the Devanagari. Finally, Teach Yourself Hindi is quite comprehensive, but requires Devanagari after the 5th chapter.

Even if you don't use the Teach Yourself books, the free supplementary audio available on the Hindi Urdu Flagship website is brilliant. The Glossaries Alive are podcasts reviewing the vocabulary for all of the chapters of TY Hindi, and the Spoken Thesaurus are podcasts of unscripted conversations along particular themes (such as Belief, Health, Regret & Apology, etc.)

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mahasiswa
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03 January 2013 at 5:32pm | IP Logged 
Jeffers wrote:
Sorry to say it, but if you really want to take your Hindi to the next level, you're going
to have to consider learning Devanagari. It looks daunting, but it is actually a fairly easy script to read,
and far less confusing than trying to decipher Romanized Hindi. Given that there are four versions of
the letters "T" and "D", for example, how do you tell them apart properly? The systems for romanizing
the script are as complicated as the script itself. I never used it, but Teach Yourself Hindi Script gets
great reviews.

I've found the Teach Yourself series to be quite helpful. Teach Yourself Hindi Conversation is all audio,
so no need to bother with the script. You probably won't learn much that you didn't already learn in the
text you used, but it works well as additional practice. Teach Yourself Beginner's Hindi (or whatever it's
called now!) is an excellent introduction to the language, and uses romanized script below the
Devanagari. Finally, Teach Yourself Hindi is quite comprehensive, but requires Devanagari after the 5th
chapter.

Even if you don't use the Teach Yourself books, the free supplementary audio available on the Hindi Urdu
Flagship website is brilliant. The teaching/glossaries-alive/">Glossaries Alive are podcasts reviewing the vocabulary for all of the
chapters of TY Hindi, and the thesaurus/">Spoken Thesaurus are podcasts of unscripted conversations along particular themes
(such as Belief, Health, Regret & Apology, etc.)


Jeff is totally right. I've been studying since 26 December using the Rupert Snell's materials (TY and
Glossaries Alive) exclusively and I just had a wee conversation on the phone with a telemarketer a
moment ago :P

The script is introduced independent of transliteration by chapter 5 and I just spent the last week going
through these first 5 chapters and the first 12 glossaries, it's perfectly easy. Have you ever learned
another alphabet before? It's not so bad! The Urdu script is easier in that it avoids conjuncts, but Hindi
looks so much better I feel, although some of the Sanskrit conjuncts are just bizarre looking! I think
what slows me down reading Urdu script is the writing direction, not the different characters.

The TY textbook has an audio component for pronouncing all the letters in isolation, at the start of a
syllable, and syllable final, and also displays them in phonetic groups in the beginning of the book, such
as dentals, retroflex, etc., so it's easy to grasp the difference between letters and start to understand
how the ancient grammarians sorted out the alphabet:

"[...] the vertical columns show the manner of articulation (voiceless unaspirated and aspirated;
voiced unaspirated and aspirated; nasal) while the horizontal row shows the place of articulation in
the mouth (velar, palatal, retroflex, dental, labial)."

This is the degree of precision that Snell's fantastic text goes to in order to teach the alphabet, although
so much academese is not needed if you just want to learn to speak. The Glossaries Alive is really one of
the best resources I've had for any language ever, and I've got resources for 28 different languages on
my shelf!

The text is not very expensive and comes with two audio discs to boot. I sincerely hope you make the
purchase, you won't regret it!


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