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| betelgeuzah Diglot Groupie Finland Joined 4406 days ago 51 posts - 82 votes  Speaks: Finnish*, English Studies: Japanese, Italian | Message 1 of 8 01 February 2013 at 7:45pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Hello!
I'd like to use Anki to review grammar points I have learned in Italian, but the problem is that it's hard for me to create "good" material to be used in Anki. That is due to the language having so many exceptions and inconsistencies. Right now I've decided to practice comprehension instead of production, so the cards I use usually have an Italian sentence I have to understand, with a specific grammar point underlined for emphasis. Due to all the exceptions, though, I would have to make a tons of similar-looking notes where just the subject changes (I run, you run, they run....) to cover all the conjugation possibilities and such. I don't know if this makes sense at all. Has anyone come up with a better way to use Anki for this sort of thing? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5014 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 2 of 8 01 February 2013 at 9:46pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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There are many ways. There are those 10000 sentences and things like that A lot of people have good experience with putting sentences in. I think emk used it at some point and AJATT is probably the inventor of this.
I prefer to use anki grammarwise only to study conjugations and declinations (only conjugations apply to Italian) since knowing those really well is often removal of a huge obstacle. like question: aimer (present) answer: j'aime, tu aimes,... (sorry, exemple is French, I don't know Italian). What works for me for those many irregularities and everything is massive input. Having read or heard quite the same thing, just in slight variations, a thousand times, that makes it stick. Or you could try FSI like drills. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5135 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 3 of 8 02 February 2013 at 12:23am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I would think cloze deletion type questions would be the way to go for grammar,
especially with examples provided. This is for Anki 2.0 (don't know of you're still in 1.x), but here's the help section in the manual for cloze deletions: http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html#cloze R. == 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5537 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 4 of 8 02 February 2013 at 12:37am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Yeah, I got it from AJATT, and AJATT borrowed the idea from Antimoon, I think. I mostly don't use Anki for verb endings. For those, I usually just read a bunch, temporarily memorize the endings for one regular tense and conjugation, and look for them when I read. The thing about verb endings is that I see them every 5 seconds, so they'll be reinforced about a million times more often than Anki would ever repeat the card. Once I get the first set of endings down pat, then I look up something else and memorize that briefly. (And at that point, the endings are already semi-familiar, which makes it a lot easier.) Anyway, grammar with Anki. Let's choose a line of dialog from lesson 1 of Assimil L'Espagnol:
That gives me the third-person plural of ser right there, plus I see how it actually works in a sentence. This card could be used in either direction: I could either try to understand the Spanish sentence, or I could translate from English to Spanish. EDIT: singular -> plural above. Thanks, hrhenry! The other possible format is a "cloze deletion" card:
As I get more advanced, I might just mark an interesting detail in italics and put nothing on the back:
All of these card format work great. They take a little longer to type than regular vocabulary cards, but typing is practice, and anyway, I mostly just copy and paste the sentences from somewhere online. The goal is to make these cards stupidly easy to get right. My card failure rate for sentence cards is usually below 5%. And the things I put on cards often show up in my vocabulary sooner or later, with only a very small effort. It's not a magic technique or anything, but I like it. Edited by emk on 02 February 2013 at 3:02am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5014 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 5 of 8 02 February 2013 at 12:40am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Yes, the regular endings are not such a trouble. But the irregular verbs often are. And I used anki when I needed to fill the gaps and learn things that I don't see so often in native input.
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| betelgeuzah Diglot Groupie Finland Joined 4406 days ago 51 posts - 82 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English Studies: Japanese, Italian | Message 6 of 8 02 February 2013 at 1:19am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Excellent advice all around, thank you.
I, too, feel that the regular verb endings should be rather easy to memorize. I think that I'll make some clozed deletion sentences for the irregular verbs and perhaps make a note or two for each major verb form with more comprehensive explanations, for a quick reminder once in a while. Otherwise I'll just put in sentences I'll come across which I feel are worth remembering. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5135 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 7 of 8 02 February 2013 at 2:30am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Maybe a bit pedantic (we're talking grammar though), but that's actually third person plural. That the translation is made as third person singular is idiomatic. R. == Edited by hrhenry on 02 February 2013 at 2:32am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5537 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 8 of 8 02 February 2013 at 3:05am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Thank you! That's what happens when I try to give Anki advice under the influence of the strange virus everybody has lately. Or at least that's happens when I'm too addled to notice the difference between "singular" and "plural" in English, which is more embarrassing but closer to the truth. :-) Edited by emk on 02 February 2013 at 3:06am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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