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| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes  Studies: Mandarin | Message 17 of 24 29 October 2013 at 2:32am | IP Logged |
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I drafted a reply which got wiped and don't want to spend the time rewriting all of it. A decent number of forum members learning Chinese/Japanese have mentioned that characters intimidate them. In terms of degree of severity though, it's probably safe to say that my adversion was greater since I was intimidated by characters since childhood.
Wouldn't you need this stuff regardless of the method? ....You would have to already know the language to find the resources that Khatz gives us. The ones mentioned here in the various Mandarin threads are numerically tiny compared to what Khatz gives us. My husband, who like me is an American born Chinese, thinks the immersion links alone are worth the price of the program. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 18 of 24 29 October 2013 at 2:38am | IP Logged |
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To me aversion and intimidation are completely different.
As for "this stuff", I meant the behaviour techniques you used to overcome the aversion. Edited by Serpent on 29 October 2013 at 2:38am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 19 of 24 29 October 2013 at 3:41am | IP Logged |
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I don't see aversion and intimidation as being that far apart....
a·ver·sion (-vûrzhn, -shn) n. 1. A fixed, intense dislike; repugnance: formed an aversion to crowds. 2. The cause or object of such a feeling. 3. The avoidance of a thing, situation, or behavior because it has been associated with an unpleasant or painful stimulus. 4. Obsolete The act of turning away or averting. in·tim·i·date (n-tm-dt) tr.v. in·tim·i·dat·ed, in·tim·i·dat·ing, in·tim·i·dates 1. To make timid; fill with fear. 2. To coerce or inhibit by or as if by threats. Edited by Snowflake on 29 October 2013 at 5:21am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 20 of 24 29 October 2013 at 4:13am | IP Logged |
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"Wouldn't you need this stuff regardless of the method?"
"As for "this stuff", I meant the behaviour techniques you used to overcome the aversion." That subject would consume a lot of time. Today I've logged only 47.5% of the target Neutrino points.... would rather spend more time either doing things in Mandarin, or working in my hobby which is slowly creeping into doing things in Mandarin. Edited by Snowflake on 29 October 2013 at 5:22am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5007 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 21 of 24 29 October 2013 at 10:25am | IP Logged |
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I didn't say the Silverspoon doesn't work or that it is totally not worth the money. No
need to get so defensive. I am happy for you and I wish you to succeed and enjoy the way. But no single method is irreplacable or totally the best for everyone. That is the purpose of this thread, to find out where does Neutrino lead. There are surely many of us who read about Neutrino on AJATT. But some of us are just grateful for inside stories and reviews before deciding to put the money somewhere. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 22 of 24 29 October 2013 at 8:28pm | IP Logged |
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Yeah I also didn't mean anything like that!
But intimidation can be much more positive, I used to be intimidated by Finnish when I was 13. Thumbs up for overcoming your dislike/disgust. I'm fairly sure I don't know any other people who did. I think usually one's liking (and often love) is what helps overcome the intimidation, but in your case it's clearly different. So basically it seems like SilverSpoon is something you need more than a person without an aversion to the characters does. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 23 of 24 30 October 2013 at 3:44am | IP Logged |
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but seriously this really would be a lengthy discussion. If you are truly
interested then take a look at Precision Teaching, and Structured Learning Theory. Per a friend who is a board certified behavior analyst, SinoSpoon was textbook Direct Instruction (particular implementation of Structured Learning). Another thing to look at is overcoming Pavlovian conditioning via operant conditioning as that's how Khatz dealt with my aversion to Chinese characters... be cognizant that operant and classical conditioning are essentially 2 extremes on the same sliding linear scale. By now you hopefully have a sense of why I've been saying this would take a lot of time. Edited by Snowflake on 30 October 2013 at 5:23am 5 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5007 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 24 of 24 30 October 2013 at 9:14am | IP Logged |
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Sounds like interesting things to look at during next summer, thanks.
Yet all we were originally interested in were simple inside peaks (which we got and they look thrilling) and success stories of someone who has finished the whole thing (which I am really looking forward to). Edited by Cavesa on 30 October 2013 at 9:14am 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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