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Increasing Language Automaticity via FSI?

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jhaberstro
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 Message 1 of 17
29 October 2013 at 11:21pm | IP Logged 
I have a solid foundation in French, with skills teetering between B1 and B2, and I'm looking now to increase my
automaticity of speech. I'd like to be able to phrase my thoughts more easily and with less errors. I find I often have
to explain myself in a round about way because I can't automatically think of the more precise phrasing, and I find I
often forget to make my contractions (de + les for example), agree adjectives with gender, say the wrong gender,
etc., and so I'd like reduce those errors. I was thinking it might be wise to start going through volume 2 of FSI
French Basic because of it's large wealth of repetition exercises (I'm already comfortable with the all of the grammar
topics that are covered in the program). Essentially, I'm hoping the behaviourist method of pounding the same
phrases over and over will create the habite that alleviates the automaticity problems.

Has anyone used FSI for this purpose, that is, gone back to it after having learned the equivalent "book" material
elsewhere in order to increase automaticity/fluency?
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James29
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30 October 2013 at 2:19am | IP Logged 
I did exactly what you suggest, but I did it for Spanish. It worked wonders. Why start with volume 2 and not do the whole course (just spend less time on volume 1)?
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jhaberstro
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30 October 2013 at 5:18am | IP Logged 
That's great to hear that you were able to do it like that with great affect! I was thinking that it'd be beneficial to skip
Volume 1 since it'll have simpler dialogues and phrasing, but perhaps I'm wrong.

When you went through the Spanish course, did you go through each recording once or multiple times? What was
your method (as it sounds that how you used the course was quite effective :))?
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James29
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30 October 2013 at 10:59am | IP Logged 
Yes, it was amazing and I am going through it again now. Both times I simply go through each lesson twice and then moved on. Occasionally for the tougher lessons I will do them three times. In the Spanish course the earlier lessons are on easier grammar, but they are not "easy" in the sense that your brain needs to respond quickly and automatically. If you can do the whole lesson without a mistake the first time then move on.


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Indíritheach
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30 October 2013 at 3:08pm | IP Logged 
This is also what I am doing. After studying Spanish in school and reviving it via Assimil, I worked through Barron's Mastering Spanish and am now on Level Two. It's been very beneficial, and I guess I'm weird because I don't find FSI boring at all. As much as I want to start on the other languages on my hit list, I am determined to complete all of FSI Basic Spanish before tackling another Romance language. I plan on using FSI courses this way in the future with other languages. ¡Buena suerte!
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30 October 2013 at 5:20pm | IP Logged 
I've never needed to.
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jhaberstro
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31 October 2013 at 2:34pm | IP Logged 
Thanks for the additional details everyone!

Serpent, do you mean that you've tried using FSI like this, but found it didn't help, or that you've never tried?

Edited by jhaberstro on 31 October 2013 at 2:37pm

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 Message 8 of 17
31 October 2013 at 5:19pm | IP Logged 
I tried FSI Finnish but I saw that I already knew it all from other sources and that it was boring as hell and the voices sounded awful. Not an FSI fan, lol.


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