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| Supremor Diglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5924 days ago 6 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian, Polish | Message 17 of 23 04 September 2009 at 11:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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I would first say that Polish is much hayrder than Russian. It is easy enough to speak a bit of Polish, but the grammar is so complex and so deep, that I wouldn't dare try to read books in Polish, or write, while I speak reasonably well. Russian has cyrillic, but that really doesn't take long to get used to, and after that, it is simply a case of getting used to the cases and odd things like participles.
Some of the sounds in Polish are extremely difficult- I remember muttering strzyzenie under my breath for about a weak before I went to the hairdresser! Try their tongue-twisters too, they are incredibly difficult. Also, take into account how hard it is to spell Polish, all those sz, rz, z, which have very similar sounds, and makes spelling words like jeszcze very difficult to intuitively know how to spell. You can read a word easily from text(not the case in Russian) but not at all the other way around. In the end, all Slavonic languages are pretty hard for an English speaker, because we are not used to working with cases, or the large number of consonants that seem to appear at the beginning of words. I am perhaps a bit different to you guys, in that I kind of fell into learning slavonic languages- I worked in Poland for a while, and then took Russian at university. I have much less grasp of written Polish than written Russian, but still I rarely find Russian as intimidating as Polish. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Supremor Diglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5924 days ago 6 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian, Polish | Message 18 of 23 04 September 2009 at 11:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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By the way, is there not a group of Poles in the Zakopanie area who speak a Baltic language etymologically speaking? I remember a lot of Polish guys talking about "mountain people"(which sounds hilarious to me) and the way that they spoke similarly to Lithuanians and Latvians.
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7157 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes  20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 19 of 23 05 September 2009 at 2:14am | IP Logged | ||
The language of the Gorals (mountaineers) sounds like a mix of Polish and Slovak with a few words that appear related to words in Albanian or Romanian (the mountaineers' dialect is after all classified as a transitional dialect between Polish and Slovak) I've heard Lithuanian before and a little bit of Goral. I don't know how those Polish guys make the judgment that the mountaineers' way of speaking is similar to Lithuanian or Latvian. Goral for me was at least recognizable as something Slavonic and I could pick out a few words immediately because of their similarity to those in Polish or Slovak. Lithuanian is a different story. The melody of Lithuanian reminds me of something Slavonic but the words and grammar are unrecognizable and I need an etymological dictionary to be able to recognize the Slavonic cognates in Lithuanian. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| widger Diglot Newbie Canada Joined 5109 days ago 3 posts - 4 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Bulgarian | Message 20 of 23 23 July 2013 at 12:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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The nice part about Bulgarian and Macedonian is the loss of noun case system. It makes the nouns a lot easier than inflected languages like Russian.
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| pesahson Diglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5729 days ago 448 posts - 840 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: French, Portuguese, Norwegian | Message 21 of 23 24 July 2013 at 7:13pm | IP Logged | ||
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What the all-knowing-wikipedia says about the Podhale dialect:
"Language is of Polish origin, but has been influenced by Slovak in recent centuries. The language contains Polish, Vlach and Slovak vocabulary, as well as unique words and words that are peculiar to the Carpathian language area " It's the most recognisable Polish dialect, next to Silesian. I don't hear any similarities to any Baltic languages. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4669 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 22 of 23 25 July 2013 at 3:23am | IP Logged | ||
But they compensate it by creating an unusually complex verbal system, Spoken (and written) Croatian has 3-4 tenses, Macedonian has 14! The Macedonian simple verb forms are: Present tense (сегашно време) Imperfect (минато определено несвршено времe, 'past definite incomplete tense') Aorist (минато определено свршено време, 'past definite complete tense') Imperative (заповеден начин) Verbal l-form (глаголска л-форма) Verbal adjective (глаголска придавка) Verbal noun (глаголска именка) Verbal adverb (глаголски прилог) The Macedonian complex verb forms are: Perfect of imperfective verbs (минато неопределено несвршено време, 'past indefinite incomplete tense') Perfect of perfective verbs ( минато неопределено свршено време, 'past indefinite complete tense') Past perfect tense (предминато време) Future tense (идно време) Future-in-the-past (минато-идно време) Future perfect tense (идно прекажано) Potential mood (можен начин) Have-construction (има-конструкција) Be-construction (сум-конструкција) To-construction (да-конструкција) Unlike German, French, Italian and Portuguese, except for Present, Perfect, Future1, Future2 (4 tenses) and Conditional (one mood), other tenses are obsolete in Croatian, they are never used even in the most formal written language. In German, French, Italian, Portuguese ''literary'' tenses are normally used in newspapers articles and modern literature, not so in Croatian. And in Macedonian all these tenses are not considered literary but are used in speech as well. Furthermore, clitics can be a problem for Macedonian, as well as definite article, which is changed according to the closeness of the word referring to. But the most problematic part of Macedonian is its syntax. Simpler morphology means very complex syntax. Edited by Medulin on 25 July 2013 at 3:29am 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4860 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 23 of 23 25 July 2013 at 5:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well, some of these tenses are not really used in real life, but true. + I don't treat da, sum/sym [in Bulgarian] and ima as seperate tenses.
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