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| Stryozyk Newbie United States Joined 5472 days ago 39 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian | Message 9 of 194 11 December 2009 at 12:21am | IP Logged | ||
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I love the Argentina accent too. Those double-L sounds, man. I kind of suffer from the same indifference to Europe
- through no fault of its own, I guess I'm just a xenophile and US schooling tends to present you with a solely European-centric education. (The only thing I'm more bored by is the United States itself, LOL.) I studied modern Hebrew for about three months, semi-immersion, and it worked pretty well, but it was hard for me. I'm so used to reading with nikudos that it drives me crazy not being able to pronounce everything. Also the tendency of Israeli TV to subtitle instead of dub (commendable in other respects) made it really hard for me to find familiar movies for listening practice. Your user name is awesome, by the way. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nogoodnik Senior Member United States Joined 5571 days ago 372 posts - 461 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, French | Message 10 of 194 14 December 2009 at 6:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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Your name is also cool, Stryozyk
I haven't updated in awhile. I'm still working on Pimsleur and Michel Thomas Spanish. I checked out Platiquemos and I'm not sure I'd be able to stick to the program. All of the cultural information is really interesting and I love that it teaches Latin American Spanish, but I'm not sure I have the attention span to learn this way. Pimsleur is also boring, but I'm able to walk around and do things while completing the lessons. I actually like Michel Thomas, so that is no problem. I figure that I need to learn how to read and pronounce the letters correctly in Spanish. This I can accomplish by looking at an audiobook and it's corresponding text. After I learn how to read and pronounce perfectly, I can start reading books with a dictionary. I also need to learn how to speak and understand Spanish. I think that Pimsleur and Michel Thomas will give me a language-base, and I can jump right in to movies and "sentence mining." Hebrew: Watched "Close to Home" with Spanish subtitles. That was fun! I also watched a bunch of other Israeli movies and had some conversations. I inputed a few sentences into anki. Anki is still behaving strangely but it works most of the time. I can't wait until I can get ahold of some new materials. edits: I made a bunch of spelling mistakes for some reason. Maybe it is the cold medicine (I am sick.) Edited by nogoodnik on 14 December 2009 at 6:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Envinyatar Diglot Senior Member Guatemala Joined 5538 days ago 147 posts - 240 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 11 of 194 16 December 2009 at 2:27am | IP Logged | ||
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Your log caught my attention because I'm planning to try AHATT (All Hebrew All The Time) and you mentioned you're planning to learn about 5,000 Hebrew sentences. Where will you get these sentences? I'm very interested because I've tried "traditional" learning techniques (Pimsleur, FSI, grammars, etc) and I'm still a total beginner. Khatzumoto's blog "opened my eyes" and I want to try his system, I think it will work for me.
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| nogoodnik Senior Member United States Joined 5571 days ago 372 posts - 461 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, French | Message 12 of 194 16 December 2009 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi Envinyatar,
Wow that's great! Good luck! Basically I search for films and TV shows that have Hebrew subtitles. This is the difficult part, because at least in the U.S. many Israeli films will come with English subtitles that cannot be removed. Some films also come with optional English subtitles but no Hebrew subtitles, which make them great for listening practice but not workable for sentence mining. Also, I try to pick media that is current because Israeli slang changes constantly and accents have become more standardized (If you watch films from the 60s and 70s you will hear a lot of Arab, Russian, and European accents and I want to emulate a native Israeli accent.) After I find an appropriate piece, I watch the film on my computer until I hear a sentence that I don't understand completely and I look it up on google translate. If the translation makes sense with the plot of the movie and my understanding of the Hebrew language, I add it to anki. One side of the card I write the Hebrew sentence, and on the other side I write a transliteration and an English translation (not what AJATT says to do, but it works for me.) After I've practiced the sentence a few times I make sure to find a way to use it in a conversation with one of my Israeli friends. I also had an intermediate level of Hebrew before starting this whole thing, so I think that gave me a really good feel for how the language works. I would be nervous about starting sentence mining right away with Spanish, for example, a language that I've only been studying for a couple of weeks. On the other hand, that's apparently what AJATT did so it works for some people. Songs are another way that people get sentences and I hope to explore this avenue soon. I also tried newspapers, but I felt that I needed to hear the sentence spoken in real life with proper context and the intonation--whether it is spoken sarcastically, or in a sing song voice, quickly or under one's breath. Another thing I'm going to do is buy some audiobooks with the corresponding texts, and I have a feeling that I will acquire some great sentences that way. Please keep in contact during your Hebrew immersion; we can share resources and ideas! Journal entry for December 16: In preparation for TAC, I've set a goal for the next week. For Spanish, I'm going to complete three Pimsleur lessons per day and for Hebrew I will add 50 new sentences a day. This is actually a lot of work for me, because I'm busy packing up the apartment and I have to work. Also, I've let the Hebrew environment slip a little bit because I missed listening to classical music. I really needed a break from geekim, radio gaga, and t-cast. I would also like to gather additional resources for Hebrew and Spanish before TAC starts. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nogoodnik Senior Member United States Joined 5571 days ago 372 posts - 461 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, French | Message 13 of 194 17 December 2009 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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So besides engaging in more intensive study, I've been starting to listen to some Spanish-language music. This
has been really fun. For example, This Babasónicos video is really awesome and funny. I must have watched it at least five times. So I'm going to write some of my Hebrew sentences here with my own version of made-up transliteration that only probably makes sense to me. I can't promise that the translations are even correct, but they work for me. Also I am a woman, so the verbs are all gendered as such. Assume that the sentences are being directed at a man, unless otherwise noted (hopefully.) יש לך מזל שאני לא מרביצה לבנים (yesh lecha mazal sha'ani lo marbitza l'banim) You are lucky that I don't hit boys. (woman speaking to man) כולם זקנים, לא שומעים כבר (kulam skanim, lo shomim kvar) They (plural) are all old, They can't hear. מה אכפת לך (mah achpat lecha) what do you care? (to a man) איזו מתנה אתא מחפש (ezeh metana ata mehapes?) What kind of gift are you looking for (to a man) משהו זול כזה שנראה מרשים (mashahu zol kazeh shenorah marshim) something cheap that looks impressive אתה חושב שאולי הילד אכל אותו (ata choshev shoulai hayeled achal oto?) Do you think that maybe the kid ate him? (to a guy) Edited by nogoodnik on 17 December 2009 at 6:00pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nogoodnik Senior Member United States Joined 5571 days ago 372 posts - 461 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, French | Message 14 of 194 19 December 2009 at 11:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've been working on Spanish a lot and slacking slightly with the Hebrew sentences and anki. However, I've been
watching tons of Hebrew-dubbed and Israeli movies so I don't feel too bad. I was browsing netflix and realized that many of the Hollywood films over there have optional Spanish dubbing. So basically, all of the films that I would never allow myself to watch due to their lack of educational value are now open to me as a Spanish learner. Having never studied a major language before, I am dumbfounded with excitement that these tools are so readily available. Also, I was checking Spanish-language magazine subscriptions, and many of them seem to be really inexpensive. So after I pass the "complete beginner" stage, getting these magazines delivered to my door are not going to cost hundreds of dollars. Yay! I ordered one Hebrew audiobook and the corresponding text. I had book delivered to my new address so I won't be able to try it out with the audio for another few weeks. I have a feeling that this is going to improve my reading speed and accuracy and I'll also be able to use the book for sentence mining. It is snowing here in New York so I'm going to stay home and do some Michel Thomas. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gam Newbie Australia Joined 5479 days ago 7 posts - 7 votes | Message 15 of 194 20 December 2009 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Can you post some more basic sentences?
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| nogoodnik Senior Member United States Joined 5571 days ago 372 posts - 461 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, French | Message 16 of 194 20 December 2009 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | ||
בודאי! אני אעבודת על זה הלילה, בלי נדר Sure, I'll try to work on it tonight...It's good practice for me anyway and if they help someone it's a bonus. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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