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| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6061 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 161 of 243 01 February 2013 at 3:46am | IP Logged | |||||
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Nice post.
A few comments: 1. Ami, entends-tu les cris sourds du pays qu'on enchaîne ? => Here, "pays" is singular, hence, country (not countries). There's also a subtle "jeu de mots", since "pays" can also mean "region", "countryside", "territory", etc. 2. Chantez, compagnons, dans la nuit la liberté nous écoute. => Sing, mates, in the night freedom can hear us (not the other way around). As a personal note, I remember that in my 6th or 7th year of French the book Le Silence de la mer by Vercors was mandatory reading. It was about a French family that had to take in a German officer during the war. It's a very nice book, but I only found that out when I read it again some years later. Right now I'm reading Uwe Timm's Johannisnacht for my German classes. I hope to enjoy this one the first time around. Edited by Luso on 01 February 2013 at 3:49am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5209 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 162 of 243 01 February 2013 at 5:35am | IP Logged | |||||
Ah; - the "du" before "pays" should have been my clue. I realize I've also mistranslated "ami" as "friends", rather then "friend".
Yes, I realized, when looking at the Wikipedia translation, that I had it entirely the wrong way round. (See my double asterisked note.) Definitely tricky, this one. I like your translation of "compagnons" as "mates", by the way. Updated to add: Happy discovery: my library system has Vercors' book - in a bilingual edition! Many thanks for your comments and help. Edited by songlines on 01 February 2013 at 6:01am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6061 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 163 of 243 01 February 2013 at 6:31am | IP Logged | |||||
If I had seen the word "mates", I'd have translated it to French as "potes". More up-to-date. "Compagnon" has a different connotation. For instance, in left-wing circles, the expression "compagnon de route" used to mean someone like-minded, although not necessary a member of the same party, or whatever. I like the expression, because it has an idealistic ring to it. Echoes of the Spanish civil war, or some other hopelessly romantic event like that. One nice thing about the French language is this "nuancier", this "palette" of expressions. By the way, you're welcome. :) Edited by Luso on 01 February 2013 at 6:55am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5209 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 164 of 243 02 February 2013 at 8:04am | IP Logged | |||||
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Summary from Jan 15th-31st:
Assimil: 80 minutes, French. Films: 1 film; 111 minutes. Flashcards: 20 minutes. TV/podcasts: 79 minutes. Reading: 110 pages. Reading, bandes-dessinées: 324 pages; 4 BDs completed. Tadoku-Bot total for January: 435 pages, with a ranking of 59. Tried out a couple of different sources for my TV/podcasts: TFO, based here in Ontario; and LCP, recommended by others here on Htlal. Notable this past fortnight: Inspired by members of Htlal, most recently EMK and Quique, (and with special thanks to GeoffW for his recommendation of Izneo), I've started reading bandes-dessinées! Started with volume 1 of Blacksad, then the first three books in the Blake & Mortimer series. Have rented the next two Blake & Mortimers, and borrowed the Volume 1 of five other series from the library. Books included Bilbo, le Hobbit, as discussed earlier in this thread, and Yann Martel's l'Histoire de Pi, which I've just begun (and am enjoying), in the hopes of reading both before I see their respective films. - Especially important in the case of The Life of Pi, which I've heard is outstanding in 3D. But I'm over the half- way point for The Hobbit, so - since Peter Jackson will be splitting it up into a trilogy of films - I may watch that now, anyway. From the LCP, the La cité du livre's Best of 2012 programme was quite interesting, and not toooo fast to follow, unlike some others of LCP's other programmes. (Example of the latter: La presse en debat, especially when they start getting into the spirit of the debate. ) Edited by songlines on 02 February 2013 at 8:06am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5209 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 165 of 243 04 February 2013 at 11:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Another song from my post post 78 about the transcripted
Service Protestant. On ira tous au paradis, by Michel Polnareff. Curt Smith Youtube cover. Online source for lyrics: en.lyrics-copy.com. Text in square brackets I'm uncertain of; if someone can offer a better translation, I'd be grateful. The online version of the text used abbreviated versions of words such as "même", "touts", etc. I've left the spelling as it was. On ira tous au paradis mêm´ moi Qu´on soit béni ou qu´on soit maudit, on ira Tout´ les bonn´ sœurs et tous les voleurs Tout´ les brebis et tous les bandits On ira tous au paradis On ira tous au paradis, mêm´ moi Qu´on soit béni ou qu´on soit maudit, on ira Avec les saints et les assassins Les femmes du monde et puis les putains On ira tous au paradis We’re all going to Paradise, even I Those blessed or cursed, we will go. All the good sisters, and all the thieves All the sheep (fig) and all the crooks, We’re all going to Paradise We’re all going to Paradise, even I Those blessed or cursed, we will go With saints and killers Worldly women and then prostitutes We are all going to Paradise. Ne crois pas ce que les gens disent C´est ton cœur qui est la seule église Laisse un peu de vague à ton âme N´aie pas peur de la couleur des flammes de l´enfer Don’t believe what people say It’s your heart which is the only church [Leave a small wave of your soul Have no fear of the colour of the flames of hell] [???] On ira tous au paradis, mêm´ moi Qu´on croie en Dieu ou qu´on n´y croie pas, on ira... Qu´on ait fait le bien ou bien Ie mal On sera tous invités au bal On ira tous au paradis On ira tous au paradis, mêm´ moi Qu´on croie en Dieu ou qu´on n´y croie pas, on ira Avec les chrétiens, avec les païens Et même les chiens et même les requins On ira tous au paradis We are all going to Paradise, even I Those who believe in God, or those who don’t, all will go Those who have done good, or evil, We are all guests to the ball We will all go to Paradise, We will all go to Paradise, even I Those who believe in God or whtose who don’t, all will go With Christians and pagans And even dogs, and sharks (figurative: ruthless people) We are all going to Paradise. On ira tous au paradis, mêm´ moi, Qu´on soit béni ou qu´on soit maudit, on ira Tout´ les bonnes sœurs et tous les voleurs Tout´ les brebis et tous les bandits On ira tous au paradis On ira tous au paradis, mêm´ moi Qu´on soit béni ou qu´on soit maudit, on ira Tout´ Et puis... Et puis... Et tous les... On ira tous au paradis On ira tous au paradis, mêm´ moi Qu´on soit béni ou qu´on soit maudit, on ira Tout´ les bonnes sœurs et tous les voleurs Tout´ les brebis et tous les bandits On ira tous au paradis... Surtout moi ….Especially me. Edited by songlines on 06 February 2013 at 10:21am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5209 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 166 of 243 05 February 2013 at 12:24am | IP Logged | |||||
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I've previously mentioned Yann Martel, in connection with his
book What is Stephen Harper Reading? . But most people will probably better know him as the Booker-Prize winning author of The Life of Pi, which has of course now been adapted for the screen by Ang Lee. Here's an interesting language-oriented quote from the book's dust jacket:
My translation:
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| Maïwenn Diglot Groupie FranceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4369 days ago 56 posts - 72 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Mandarin, Breton | Message 167 of 243 05 February 2013 at 7:23am | IP Logged | |||||
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For the Yann Martel quote, I'd say the last sentence could be translated as "And (it is) for just that reason, English gives me a sufficient/necessary distance for writing."
For the "On ira tous au paradis" lyrics, vague à l'âme means a kind of sadness, generally heartbreak I think, but in this case maybe it just means to allow some emotions? At this site, it is defined as "Difficulté d'être, mal de vivre sans cause bien définie." Well done! :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5209 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 168 of 243 05 February 2013 at 5:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
Thanks, Maïwenn. - Much appreciated. And that CNRTL: Centre National de Ressources Textuelles et Lexicales site looks like it might be a useful reference for intermediate and advanced learners (and native speakers, of course). I'll keep it in mind for the future..! Edited by songlines on 05 February 2013 at 5:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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