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| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 5113 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes  Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 9 of 102 08 January 2011 at 2:47am | IP Logged | ||
I couldn't agree more with your comment about Arabic grammar. When I first arrived here, I opened a thread because I had a heard a lecturer in a Yale podcast say that all languages had equal amounts of grammar, but differently spread out. I could see why it could work, but it still feels that Arabic has more than others. It's not especially complicated, but (same with the vocab), there is just too much of it, and in my opinion, that's what makes it difficult. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| strikingstar Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5172 days ago 292 posts - 444 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese, Swahili Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 10 of 102 08 January 2011 at 3:13am | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah, I still remember being laughed at by my Saudi friend for saying 'As-salamu 3laka'
instead of 'As-salamu 3layka'. Didn't even get any points for effort. The English equivalent would be 'Peace uponay you'. I think part of the problem is that we tend to think in our native language. And when a rule in our target language doesn't exist in our native language, there's a tendency to dismiss it as superfluous, contrived or just a pain-in-the-neck. And it just so happens that there are lots of rules in Arabic that don't exist in English. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Quabazaa Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5608 days ago 414 posts - 543 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German, French Studies: Japanese, Korean, Maori, Scottish Gaelic, Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Egyptian), Arabic (Written) | Message 11 of 102 08 January 2011 at 8:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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I realised I hadn't posted in your log yet! So hello! :) It's very interesting reading about Swahili, so cool that you translated the chorus of Hakuna Matata :D I am actually surprised there isn't an entire Swahili version!
Your comment "it's difficult to be irregular when you have rules covering just about everything under the sun" really made me laugh.. it's so true. Arabic is amazing (or insane depending on how you look at it), how on earth did they end up with so many rules?? :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 5113 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 12 of 102 08 January 2011 at 10:13pm | IP Logged | ||
Well, look at it that way, there's not much to do in a desert :P 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| strikingstar Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5172 days ago 292 posts - 444 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese, Swahili Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 13 of 102 12 January 2011 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi Quebazaa, I haven't posted in your log either. I'll get around to it soon. Promise.
Anyways, I've decided I need more discipline, hence I've decided to start posting 5 sentences a day in Arabic. They don't have to be logical, they just have to be grammatically sound. If there're any mistakes, please feel free to correct them. Anybody. So here goes: ١.الولد الساكن في هذا البيت يقول أن صديقته جميلة Al-waladu as-saakinu fii hadhaa al-bayti yaquulu 'n sadiiqatihi jamiilatin. The boy living in this house says that his girlfriend is beautiful. ٢. سأسافر إلى القاهرة لأزور سوق مشهورة Sa'usaafiru ila al-qaaharti li'azuura suuqan mashhuuratan. I will be traveling to Cairo to visit a famous market. ٣. فتح المدير باب المكتب وشاهد عماله الواقفين هناك Fataha al-mudiiru baab al-maktabi wa shaahada 3ummaalahu al-waaqifiina hunaaka. The director opened the office door and saw his workers standing there. ٤. طاولات المعلم الكبيرة الطويلة مكسورة Taawilaatu al-mu3allimi al-kabiiratu at-tawiilatu makusuuratun The teacher's big, long tables are broken. ٥. لم يرجع الوزير إلى بلده بعد اجتماعه مع الرئيس Lam yarja3 al-waziiru ila balidihi ba3da 'ijtamaa3ihi m3a ar-ra'isi The minister did not return to his country after his meeting with the president. Edited by strikingstar on 12 January 2011 at 1:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| strikingstar Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5172 days ago 292 posts - 444 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese, Swahili Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 14 of 102 12 January 2011 at 3:02pm | IP Logged | ||
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Also starting a running log of all the words that I've come across that Swahili has
borrowed from Arabic. mhandisi - مهندس - engineer mwalimu - معلم - teacher darasa (class) - درس (lesson) falsafa - فلسفة - philosophy kabla - قبل - before baada - بعد -after lakini - لكن - but tarikh - تاريخ - date bahari - بحر - sea ardhi - أرض - earth hakika - حقيقة - reality kalamu - قلم - pen dakika - دقيقة - minute shaka - شك - doubt rais - رئيس - president waziir - وزير - minister dhalili - ذليل - humble sifuri - صفر - zero sita - ستة - six saba - سبعة - seven tisa - تسعة - nine jaribu - جرب - try ustaadhi - أستاذ - professor saa - ساعة - time kahawa - قهوة - coffee shughuli - شغل - activity sahani - صحن - plate sunduku - صندوق - box siasa - سياسة - politics Mashariki - سياسة - East hesabu - حسب - count baina - بين - between salama - سلامة - peace dunia - دنيا - world afadhali - أفضل - better tafadhali - تفضلي - please shukuru - شكر - thankful karibu - قريب - close msumari - مسمار - nail roho - روح - soul jirani - جيران - neighbor huzuni - حزن - sadness dhahabu - ذهب - gold taratibu - ترتيب - system tajiri - تاجر - merchant sakafu - سقف - roof lazima - لزم - necessary baraka - بركة - blessing zamani - زمن - period imani - إيمان - faith samaki - سمك - fish muhimu - مهم - important azimu - عزم - project shukuru - شكر - thank amani - أمن - peace askari - عسكري - soldier dini - دين - religion maarifu - معرفة - knowledge jeraha - جرح - wound damu - دم - blood hekima - حكمة - wisdom malika - ملك - king jamhuri - جمهورية - republic yakina - يقين - certainty abudu - عبد - worship sifa - صفة - character adhibu (punish) - عذب (torture) ahadi - عهد - promise hifadhi - حفظ - reserve/save ellasevia's additions: ishirini - عشرون - twenty thelathini - ثلاثون - thirty arobaini - أربعون - forty hamsini - خمسون - fifty sitini - ستون - sixty sabini - سبعون - seventy themanini - ثمانون - eighty tisini - تسعون - ninety mia - مائة - hundred elfu - ألف - thousand nusu - نصف - half robo - ربع - quarter wakati - وقت - time Alhamisi - الخميس - Thursday Ijumaa - الجمعة - Friday habari - أخبار - news kitabu - كتاب - book rafiki - رفيق - friend furahi - فرح - happy asubuhi - صباح - morning alasiri - العصر - afternoon alfajiri - الفجر - dawn, daybreak magharibi - مغيب - west, sunset lugha - لغة - language mtihani - امتحان - exam safari - سفر - trip, journey mahali - محل - place kata - قطع - cut fikiri - فكر - think huru - حر - free baridi - بارد - cold kamusi - قاموس - dictionary maana - معنى - meaning PS: Thanks, Swahili, for making Arabic just a little bit easier for me. Nitakushukuru sana. Asante sana. Also, pantalones (Spanish) - بنطلون - pants Edited by strikingstar on 27 January 2011 at 6:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6141 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 15 of 102 13 January 2011 at 2:13am | IP Logged | ||
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Can I add some words to your Swahili-Arabic list?
ishirini - عشرون - twenty thelathini - ثلاثون - thirty arobaini - أربعون - forty hamsini - خمسون - fifty sitini - ستون - sixty sabiini - سبعون - seventy themanini - ثمانون - eighty tisiini - تسعون - ninety mia - مائة - hundred elfu - ألف - thousand nusu - نصف - half robo - ربع - quarter wakati - وقت - time Alhamisi - الخميس - Thursday Ijumaa - الجمعة - Friday habari - أخبار - news kitabu - كتاب - book rafiki - رفيق - friend furahi - فرح - happy asubuhi - صباح - morning alasiri - العصر - afternoon alfajiri - الفجر - dawn, daybreak magharibi - مغيب - west, sunset lugha - لغة - language mtihani - امتحان - exam safari - سفر - trip, journey mahali - محل - place kata - قطع - cut fikiri - فكر - think huru - حر - free baridi - بارد - cold kamusi - قاموس - dictionary maana - معنى - meaning ...just to name a few simple ones. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cetacea Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie United States booh.com Joined 5323 days ago 80 posts - 163 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Arabic (Yemeni), Arabic (Written) Studies: French | Message 16 of 102 14 January 2011 at 2:15am | IP Logged | ||
Is there any reason why you think suuq is feminine? Is it one of those dual-gender words? I'd probably write the same sentence like this: سأسافر إلى القاهرة لأزور سوقاً مشهوراً Good luck with your Arabic lessons. Looks like you are making a lot of progress. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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