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| AndyMeg Diglot Groupie Colombia Joined 4927 days ago 48 posts - 62 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 1 of 9 03 December 2011 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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If you had to give advice to a friend and he asks you how far he can go by doing all the Foundation and Advanced Japanese Michel Thomas Course. What would you tell him?
I really like the Michel Thomas Method, but I find the title of the "Advanced course" a little misleading. What do you think? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6440 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 2 of 9 03 December 2011 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'd say it gets you to a low beginner level.
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| Chris Heptaglot Senior Member Japan Joined 7122 days ago 287 posts - 452 votes Speaks: English*, Russian, Indonesian, French, Malay, Japanese, Spanish Studies: Dutch, Korean, Mongolian | Message 3 of 9 03 December 2011 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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Agreed. It's all a question of perspective, and marketing.
A lot of language course producers are moving the goal-posts and re-representing their courses as more advanced than they are. For example, even Linguaphone have upgraded their 'Basic' courses to 'Bsaic to Intermediate' and their 'Intermediate' courses to ' Advanced' yet, while these courses are really good, the 'Advanced' courses only take you as far as the old UK 'A' level standard, which is nowehere near having a truly advanced knowledge of a language. Even with a degree, there is still a lot you don't know. Levels of language learning are very subjective. I have known people who can say hello in a language write that thet are fluent on a CV, and I have known people who downplay (especially in Japan) their abiility are actually very good at English, which is their main 'foreign' language. So yes, 'Advanced' is actually very basic in the MT context. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 4 of 9 04 December 2011 at 12:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think it's well worth doing. It's well organized, and sticks really well. Unfortunately, it covers only about 50% of the
grammar you need to be able to adequately express yourself. And probably less than 25% of the grammar that you'll need to be able to understand native material and speakers. Oh, and the usual complaints about the students apply. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jazzboy.bebop Senior Member Norway norwegianthroughnove Joined 5419 days ago 439 posts - 800 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian | Message 5 of 9 05 December 2011 at 4:58am | IP Logged | ||
Fixed. The woman student on that course made me yell all sorts of colourful expletives with her near constant mistakes. Her inability to use the particle を for so much of both courses really infuriated me at times, especially considering the amount of times she was clearly told how to use it and that it was taught pretty much from the start. Apart from that, they are very decent at teaching what they teach though their scope is still fairly limited in terms of what you should know grammatically. A great start though. Would be nice if they made a vocabulary course which taught more patterns, I am surprised they haven't made one considering the language's popularity. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5409 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 6 of 9 05 December 2011 at 9:38am | IP Logged | ||
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There isn't anything in there that isn't useful and efficiently presented. I've gone through both extensively, but there's just not enough time involved in the method to get past a very beginner level.
What are your friends goals? The MT courses are very good, and I would recommend them for sure, but I've found Japanese to be one of those languages that you'll be studying various grammar points, even major ones, for years. Things like Spanish and French get a lot of attention from MT but Japanese would need about 3-4x the attention for equal payoff most likely. MT is good, but there's just way too much to learn. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| AndyMeg Diglot Groupie Colombia Joined 4927 days ago 48 posts - 62 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 7 of 9 06 December 2011 at 6:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thankyou for all your answers! ^_^!
So, all the japanese MT course (Foundation and Advanced) just take you to a very basic level, right?
I really like the MT courses and it would be wonderful if they could extend the recorded time to more hours. My friend wants to start but doesn`t know how. I though MT could be a good introduction, but I wasn`t sure about the level a total beginner could reach with this course. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5416 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean | Message 8 of 9 06 December 2011 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | ||
I don't know whether or not this will help, but this is a spreadsheet I made a while ago of some of the verbs and conjugations that were introduced in the MT Foundation course and the first hour or so of the Advanced course:
That is, eleven verbs across eleven conjugations. The table certainly isn't complete, but it should give you an idea of how the course goes about teaching verbs. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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