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| Jt00 Newbie United States Joined 4543 days ago 28 posts - 30 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian, French | Message 9 of 11 20 July 2012 at 3:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
Well, I have a problem with both. For example, if I had not memorized 5 as пять, and I heard someone say to spell "pyat", then I would probably write it as пят. What's even more confusing is when I type in Russian on my ipod, the spell checking feature corrects misspelled words, unless I leave out ь or ъ. I guess it's just an issue of being accustomed to hearing soft and hard consonants and being able to tell the difference from experience. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5084 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 10 of 11 20 July 2012 at 3:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's not a problem of spelling, but only of phonetics. Native Russian speakers always hear all those hard and soft consonants and never make mistakes in such situations. There is a joke. A lesson of the Russian language in a Georgian school. The teacher: "мальчик (pronouning the word with the hard L) is spelt with the soft sign, while тарелька (pronouncing with the soft L) is spelt without it. It is impossible to understand, it is only possible to remember. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6625 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 11 20 July 2012 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Я слышала в таком варианте:
запомните, что вилька и тарелька пишется бэз мягкого знака, а сол и фасол с мягким знаком:) As for your spellchecker, words commonly change their meaning because of that. пять is five while пят means heels (used mostly in the expression с головы до пят, from head to toe). Practice pronouncing it, and hopefully you'll be able to hear the difference as well. Although as for kids learning to read... For reading a vague understanding is enough, but for writing they're taught various rules at school. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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