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| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5227 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 41 of 92 04 January 2013 at 12:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hi back Jack! Will be following this with interest (the Russian part, that is ;), and I mean it -- you've probably made me try harder than ever in the last 6 months to make out the meaning of some Russian text with your parallel posting.
Having something I'm sure to understand as a fallback makes all the difference, for that way I can figure rather quickly whether I'm going astray or I'm getting the Russian right. That coupled with Mapk's almost 'live' corrections so your Russian doesn't go bananas either can be a very interesting asset. Looks like I'll always have something to have a look at even if I'm not in the mood to study. Hope you keep it up! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Toffeeliz Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5681 days ago 116 posts - 130 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin Studies: Russian | Message 42 of 92 04 January 2013 at 12:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hey Jack. Nice log you have here. I'm actually really looking forward to your Chinese progress! I think I read somewhere that you'll be using Assimil Chinese for this. Tell me what you think. It was my first experience of language learning (at least semi-independently) and I remember the long while it took for the language to just 'click' into place. After that, it felt a bit easier.
Your Russian is quite advanced compared to myself, but I can make out bits and phrases. Your writing is inspiring. :D Keep it up! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| LanguageSponge Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5767 days ago 1197 posts - 1487 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Welsh, Russian, Japanese, Slovenian, Greek, Italian | Message 43 of 92 04 January 2013 at 2:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
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@ Solfrid Cristin - Спасибо, Кристина, но Марк изменил некоторые другие мелочи. Существительные, заканчивающиеся на мягкий знак, могут быть как мужского (день), так и женского (ночь) рода. Нет никаких средних существительных, заканчивающиеся на мягкий знак. Большинство из них - женского рода, но я почему-то забыл. Можно с уверенностью сказать, что когда видишь новое существительное на -ь, это женского рода. Например, все существительные на -ность, кроме "гость", женского рода. "Гость" мужского рода. Существительные мужского рода на -ь все реже и реже, так что ты должна просто запомнить те, что находишь.
Thanks Cristina, but Марк changed some other little things as well. Nouns that end in a soft sign (ь) can be either masculine (like день) or feminine (ночь). There are no neuter nouns ending in a soft sign. Most of them are feminine, but I forgot somehow. You can safely assume when you meet a new soft sign noun, that it is feminine. For example, all nouns in -ность are feminine, apart from гость which is masculine. Masculine nouns in the soft sign are few and far between, so you should just memorise the ones you meet. mrwarper, я рад, что ты собираешься следить за моим журналом, хотя и я пишу очень просто пишу, а это улучшится со времением. Я не сдаваюсь. Если я так держаю, мой уровень в русском будет к концу года намного лучше. mrwarper, I am glad that you intend to follow my log, even though I write very simply, but that will improve over time. I will not give up. If I keep this up, my Russian will have improved a lot by the end of the year. @ Toffeeliz Hi! Thanks for your comment! You probably read that a while back when I was going to be doing Mandarin over with Team 鶴, but I decided that because I am living in China until at least October of 2013, it would be safe for me to study other languages for the TAC. I am mostly focusing on spoken Mandarin for survival purposes but I do not intend to leave China until I have got Mandarin by the scruff of the neck. I could post occasional updates on my Mandarin here if you like, or you can ask me over PM about it, I'll leave that decision up to you :) My Mandarin is completely crap and I can presently only really talk about food and order kids around. I can however read a fair amount more than I originally thought, although that's not through conscious studying. In my last year of school I got the highest grade of any student my two German teachers had ever taught, and my teachers bought me two books a for studying so hard. Other departments did this for their highest performing students too. One teacher and I had Russian as a common studying language, so he bought me a Russian grammar book written in Russian which I treasure to this day - it's called Грамматика русского языка в иллюстрациях if anyone's interested. It was published in 1990. The other teacher bought me a book on traditional Chinese characters, which until I got to uni just gathered dust on my shelf. When I got to uni I was really bored with Russian. I was not good enough to go into the advanced level class, but I was way too high for the ab initio class. I stayed in the ab initio class and wondered how I could pass the time while the others caught up with me, and I chose to learn to read and write some of the characters from the Chinese book my old German teacher had bought me. And now it's paid dividends. There are still loads I can't read, but I can read much more than my British co-workers who have been in China for more than seven years... I don't know what it is about foreigners in China who don't bother learning the language. Right, I'm off to write some more of my German essay and listen to more Greek. Jack Edited by LanguageSponge on 04 January 2013 at 2:45pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 44 of 92 04 January 2013 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5259 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 45 of 92 04 January 2013 at 9:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hey! I just want to say I'm looking forward to those challenges your wrote, and I thank
you for taking the time to come up with them! :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Emme Triglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5348 days ago 980 posts - 1594 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German Studies: Russian, Swedish, French | Message 46 of 92 05 January 2013 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
Ciao, Jack! Scusa se ci ho messo un paio di giorni per tornare al tuo log, ma sto ancora cercando di mettermi in pari con i post di tutti i membri del team MIR e del team Viking e non ci sono ancora riuscita. L’inizio del TAC è stato davvero impressionante per il numero di messaggi postati. Comunque non temere, il tuo Italiano è eccellente e a parte una frase è tutto assolutamente comprensibile e pressoché perfetto. Il problema è nella frase
Immagino volessi dire qualcosa come: “In cinese avrò il vocabolario di un bambino di tre anni” (I’ve got the vocabulary of a three-year old). Ma la tua frase sembra più “In cinese avrò un vocabolario vecchio di tre anni” (I’ve got the vocabulary of three years ago, i.e. it’s not updated). Naturalmente vocabolario qui è inteso come insieme di parole che uno conosce e non come sinonimo di dizionario. Andando in cerca del pelo sull’uovo (conosci, vero, quest’espressione?), ti faccio ancora qualche appunto. Sebbene il termine “carattere” sia la giusta traduzione di “character” io qui preferirei usare la parola ideogramma (anche se Wikipedia suggerisce che “ ideogramma”, non essendo più ritenuto corretto dai linguisti, dovrebbe essere sostituito da “pittogramma”), dato che in Italiano la locuzione è “carattere cinese” ed è un po’ insolito trovare la parola “carattere” da sola. Suppongo dipenda dal fatto che il termine “carattere”, come sicuramente sai, ha tanti significati e quello di ideogramma/pittogramma è un po’ di nicchia, quindi va specificato con l’aggiunta di un aggettivo. “Trovo frustrante ascoltare la gente per strada e non capire/capirci un’acca. Sono abituato all’Europa dove riesco a capire il succo …” Dopo “sono certo” io qui userei l’indicativo (mentre se avessi scritto “credo” avrei usato senza dubbio il congiuntivo). E’ solo una sfumatura, e grammaticalmente la tua scelta è ineccepibile, solo che usando il congiuntivo viene un po’ meno la certezza che invece era stata dichiarata dalla tua frase di apertura “sono certo”. (L’uso del congiuntivo è un grosso problema anche per gli Italiani madrelingua. Grazie al mio dialetto tendenzialmente uso abitualmente e naturalmente il congiuntivo secondo le regole dell’italiano standard, ma effettivamente lo si sente usare sempre più raramente. Qui stiamo comunque parlando di grammatica descrittiva e non prescrittiva). Per finire ci sono un paio di errorini di ortografia (probabilmente hai solo sbagliato a digitare sulla tastiera): “conosciute/o”, “Cina” e “ogni giorno”. (Il termine “oggigiorno” esiste e significa “nowadays”). Chiedi pure se non sono stata abbastanza chiara. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4716 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 47 of 92 06 January 2013 at 1:45am | IP Logged | |||||
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Have a nice trip, Jack! =)
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| LanguageSponge Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5767 days ago 1197 posts - 1487 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Welsh, Russian, Japanese, Slovenian, Greek, Italian | Message 48 of 92 07 January 2013 at 12:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks fabriciocarraro! I did have a nice trip, thanks. It was a bit more hectic than had originally been planned because there was fog in England and due to that, my flights got moved and all sorts of stuff and I ended up going via Paris. It was however nice to go back to France, even if it was just for a few hours, and practise my French. It's nice to see that it hasn't left me at all. I will update more later as I've just got home, am knackered, and am going to get something to eat and straighten this place out.
Jack Edited for an idiotic spelling mistake. Edited by LanguageSponge on 07 January 2013 at 12:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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