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| yong321 Groupie United States yong321.freeshe Joined 5542 days ago 80 posts - 104 votes  Studies: Spanish | Message 1 of 13 11 April 2013 at 4:17am | IP Logged | ||
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Google translator pronounces "s" at the end of "Coedès" (a person's name):
http://translate.google.com/#fr/zh-CN/Coed%C3%A8s as well as made-up words "oedès", "edès", but obviously not "dès". If you were to pronounce Coedès, would you pronounce the last "s"? (Georges Coedès is a scholar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Coed%C3%A8s ) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5599 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 2 of 13 11 April 2013 at 6:00am | IP Logged | ||
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It depends on the word. For example:
dès, près end in [ɛ], ès, londrès end in [ɛs]. There are not always fixed rules for final consonants in French. My stomach says, that the pronunciation in [ɛs] is the expected one, but high frequency words like prepositions may have lost the [s]. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6703 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 3 of 13 11 April 2013 at 10:33am | IP Logged | ||
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The simplest rule would be to drop the s in common words (apart from the cases where you have to make a liaison), but expect that it may be used in proper names. The word "ès" ('en' + 'les' as in "docteur ès lettres") is obviously an exception - probably because it is meant to be quaint, old and precious. Edited by Iversen on 11 April 2013 at 10:36am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6151 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 4 of 13 11 April 2013 at 11:35am | IP Logged | ||
What is the meaning of londrès ? I know London is londres in French, where the final s is silent. Edited by DaraghM on 11 April 2013 at 11:36am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5599 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 5 of 13 11 April 2013 at 12:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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Londrès is a type of cigars from Cuba, a Havana.
Maybe someone can remember more usual words, which end in -ès? The capital is of course "Londres" 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4639 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 6 of 13 11 April 2013 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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Unfortunately, for proper names there isn't any rule at all. In some geographical names you do pronounce the final s, e.g. Reims, Gigondas, Cornas, Le Gers. However, in Carpentras, Aubenas, Cassis, Sauternes, you do not pronounce the s.
You also have regional differences. French-speaking Belgians pronounce Anvers (Antwerp) with a final -s, but people from France normally do not. (By the way, in Belgian French the capital of Belgium is normally pronounced "brussell(e)", in France they tend to say "bruksell"). Now, if you see a name ending in -ès, it is highly likely that the s is pronounced. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4639 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 7 of 13 11 April 2013 at 4:22pm | IP Logged | ||
I've been trying to find some, but ès is not a common ending in French. It appears above all in place names in Southern France, (Argelès-sur-Mer, Barcarès, Canohès, Arès) which leads me to believe that it comes from Occitan or Catalan. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4639 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 8 of 13 11 April 2013 at 5:22pm | IP Logged | ||
And a final point: I checked the French wikipedia entry on Georges Coedès, which says: "George Cœdès (prononcer [sedɛs])". 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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